[SubiculumCode]

probably yes. although that's a bit of an article of faith. in analogy, I wonder how much progress and innovation, and general world progress, has resulted from opening the internet to include Russia, for example. Sometimes including actors that do not conform to certain ethical standards and trust worthy behaviors, leads to spreading infection and danger to the world.

Another analogy: Incorporating cancer cells into the body rather than sanctioning their growth, is a sure path to death.

this is not a directly equate China to cancer, especially the Chinese people to cancer. That's clearly incorrect. however, I do think it is correct to expect our trading partners to eventually establish trust with each other, on the geopolitical sphere, and if that fails to appear, it makes sense to diversify our strategic resources and partnerships

[verdverm]

> Sometimes including actors that do not conform to certain ethical standards and trust worthy behaviors, leads to spreading infection and danger to the world.

The Chinese people are fine. You can see some great projects on GitHub for example. I hear Shenzen is something special.

The CCP is the problem, not the Chinese generally

[SubiculumCode]

The Chinese are a great people. I want them to succeed. I know many tremendous individuals from Taiwan and Hong Kong.

Its the CCP that is the problem. I will say this plainly: Freedom for Hong Kong. Freedom for Taiwan.

I think I said that clearly, but apologies if it came out that way.

[jacquesm]

> I will say this plainly: Freedom for Hong Kong. Freedom for Taiwan.

Freedom for China would be nice too.

[bluGill]

I have no way to make that distinction. By virtual of living under the CCP, the Chinese people are also implicated as unethical and untrustworthy.

[verdverm]

You don't find classifying and treating a whole group of people the same... bigatory?

You don't think there are Chinese that want a different governance model for their country?

[bluGill]

I don't have a choice. I never deal with individuals in China, only the country as a whole.

I know many Chinese are not happy with their government. However I cannot do anything to help them.

[verdverm]

How do you not have a choice in how you view and treat others?

[jacquesm]

You just painted 1B+ people with the same broad brush, on account of something that they likely had very little choice in. Unacceptable, really.

[TaylorAlexander]

Generally inappropriate broad over generalization.

[bluGill]

Like most people not in China, I never deal with individual people, just the country. I see nothing inappropriate about my generalization, please go into more detail so I can figure out what you are talking about.

[protomolecule]

"I wonder how much progress and innovation, and general world progress, has resulted from opening the internet to include Russia, for example."

Off the top of my head -- nginx which is by some metrics the most popular web server[0]. Or Kotlin -- the programming language that Google recommends for writing Android apps[1].

"Sometimes including actors that do not conform to certain ethical standards and trust worthy behaviors, leads to spreading infection and danger to the world."

Could you tell how have you come to this way of thinking about a whole nation?

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nginx

[1] https://developer.android.com/kotlin/first