[automatic6131]

>I will tell anyone and everyone who will listen, don't have kids. It is not worth it. There is no law that requires people to have children. Let the idiots who don't understand this do all the child bearing and child rearing

You know you need those kids so you can retire, right? Idk, maybe you want to tap out code forever, but you're going to need farmers and cooks and doctors and plumbers and people to make your iPhone. I guess, everyone else can raise those people though right? Fuck them, they can pay and you can enjoy their children's labour, right?

[klausa]

If you think "we will need more laborers in the future" is a good reason for someone to have kids, please don't have any.

[velcrovan]

You’re right it’s not a good reason for an individual to have kids. but it is a good reason why even childless people should be motivated to be part of a society that invests in people who do raise children.

[mcny]

You left out the last sentence in the paragraph. I don't have children of my own. I get that we are all supposed to be "rugged individualism" in this country but that is just a myth just like the "self-made man".

I think we need fewer people to have children so that we actually begin to value our children not just my children, but also my neighbor's children. Your children are your ward, not your property.

> Fuck them, they can pay and you can enjoy their children's labour, right?

Ah, labour. OK sorry, I guess you are from England or something? I am saying the opposite. We have religious nutjobs in the United States who think that if you cut off all government safety nets and people have nowhere to go to but to the church they will be doing "God's work". They have joined forces with grifters and capitalists who want to remove all government entitlements. It costs tens of thousands of dollars to have a baby.

You already have NHS. I understand it is not perfect but we are still fighting for medicare for all here and realistically, I will never see it in my lifetime.

I understand my conviction is controversial. Given that the social safety net is crumbling in my country, I cannot in good conscience have children or recommend anyone to have children. Precisely because a lot of (loud) people think "Fuck them, they can pay" for their own children.

[imetatroll]

Declining populations == a crumbling society.

I guess it is up to you whether or not you want to have the joy of a child in your life.