[lm28469]

Ah yes, let them access the hamas video I saw last week, surely it won't cause any harm. And porn too, porn is good for kids.

> do we agree with this authoritarianism?

Yes? Do you agree with your kids getting blasted/manipulated by foreign content coming from an app controlled by an authoritarian country ?

[sojournerc]

Parents can deal with that, not the government. Why do people want the government to solve all problems?

Why do you want more authoritarians?

[lm28469]

> Why do you want more authoritarians?

Why do you want foreign apps made by authoritarian countries to have root access to your kids brains ?

> Why do you want more authoritarians?

> Why do people want the government to solve all problems?

I know it's 2023 and people believe "laws = authoritarianism" but come on. We decided to live in organised and hierarchical societies for a reason, and the reason isn't "I want to do whatever I want whenever I went even if it's detrimental to myself and my community"

[sojournerc]

I'm not sure where you got the idea of "laws = authoritarianism" from my questions, but it definitely is an easy strawman to knock over.

In fact, I believe the level of laws a society has should be negotiated by its citizens. I prefer a more liberal society, but that does not mean I do not want laws.

The question to be debated is just how much power a government should have. Personally I would prefer that parents and their community determine what is right for a child to be exposed to instead of a top-down approach, but there is a lot of grey area there and must be negotiated culturally and politically.

What I do fear is that authoritarians rarely give up authority once given, and once given enough authority the populace's ability to negotiate government's role in their life democratically evaporates. Increasingly despotic leaders seek the power the government now holds.

The history of the 20th century shows this in extreme forms in the likes of Hitler, Mao, Pol Pot, Stalin, etc.

Especially in the case of Germany - Hilter was elected! - the people wanted his authority because he promised to fix Germany, promised to fix the morals of their society.

I see parallels in legislating morality, or the attitude that government _should_ legislate every moral or social quandary.

Anyway, I'd encourage you to steel-man your opponents ideas instead of assuming the most ridiculous, easily-defeated idea of it.

[hunglee2]

totally agree. The greater good > than individual freedom. My eyes are being opened on this very thread

[master-lincoln]

Because parents often don't want to raise their kids anymore because they are too busy with making money or fulfilling individualism.

Can you really not understand why some people favor authoritarian systems? Can you not imagine that some folks just don't want think critically themselves? Live is often dull but easy if you follow along in authoritarian systems. Some people prefer that

[sojournerc]

Ok, but do you think that's a good thing?

[hunglee2]

the solution to authoritarianism is to learn from the authoritarians? I'm pleased that we are able to think like this, we should learn what we can, from whoever might have the right answer - in this I fully agree