[addicted]

I don’t understand why you think the fact that someone may choose to point and click to do something, a task which depending on the UI can be completely mindless and yet significantly safer eliminating any chance of making a mistake (by throwing in a typo for instance), does not know what a bash for/while loop is?

I suspect most people here used the HN web interface to post their comments, even though constructing an HTPP request to send to HN using curl to post your comment wouldn’t be significantly harder. The fact that they used the point and click HM Web UI doesn’t mean they’re incapable of constructing such a request where it actually is needed.

[distcs]

> I don’t understand why you think the fact that someone may choose to point and click to do something, a task which depending on the UI can be completely mindless and yet significantly safer eliminating any chance of making a mistake (by throwing in a typo for instance), does not know what a bash for/while loop is?

I don't think like that at all. Of course someone can know bash for/while loop and still choose to use a point-and-click tool to administrate their servers. Nothing wrong with that.

Not sure where in my message did I say that if someone chooses to point and click, then they don't know what a bash for/while loop is.

What I said in my comment was that if someone doesn't know what a bash for/while loop is, then I may be uncomfortable adminstrating my servers.

My point was to show that comparing adminstrating servers and sharing pictures on social media is not a useful comparison.

[shortrounddev2]

I think there's an elitism within the Linux world to being a totally CLI user

[jarym]

There does seem to be a bit of it yes, but I thought it had become less common.

Reminds me of a colleague I met once who was happily boasting he's a 'real' HTML developer because he writes everything in Microsoft notepad. I took a look at his work and cried inside - broken tags, bad formatting and of course he didn't escape all his characters correctly.

Being able to type some characters on a keyboard does not make anyone superior to a user that uses a point+click interface.

[sgarland]

> Being able to type some characters on a keyboard does not make anyone superior to a user that uses a point+click interface.

There isn’t a causal relationship, but the two are heavily correlated. Getting deep into the details of most server software means doing so via CLI, because the people who built the software intended it to be used there, since servers are usually headless.

Even if you run a DE, chances are high you’ll still end up editing some config files in a text editor, and running commands in a terminal emulator.

It’s a bit like [n]vi[m] - learning its esoteric commands doesn’t make you good at coding or ops, but there’s a decent chance you wouldn’t bother to spend the time learning it unless you needed the speed increases it grants you.

[BodyCulture]

Diff is to type you need to have better understanding, what is good for IT work.

[robertlagrant]

OP mentioned ProxMox UI as being much better. I think you're focusing on the wrong point.