[sylvain_kerkour]

Great to finally see this here! Cloudflare is the 4th major cloud platform that (almost) nobody is seeing coming, and I believe that they will even surpass Google Cloud Platform's sooner than expected.

The only problem that remains is their support...

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[ethbr1]

100% agreed.

The most consistently amazing thing about Cloudflare is the clarity of their product positioning.

You have this common problem, we built a thing to fix it.

No 'change your problem into this other problem' gymnastics. Just 'pay us once you exceed the free tier, and it's no longer a problem'.

And furthermore, they seem to have clarity of platform vision, in that each piece does something very specific to help them compete efficiently against AWS/Azure/GCP (who have much larger resources) AND has synergies with their existing platform. E.g. edge compute, free/cheaper network traffic from compute/storage

Critically, Cloudflare seems like the only competitor to the majors that has their eyes on competing on price by capturing enough of the market of {some thing} that they can still make profits at extremely low price points.

Also, just glanced at their financials again, and they look exactly like you'd want to run a large company if your eye was on order of magnitude growth. They just pivoted to positive FCF in 2023, biggest expense is sales and marketing (over half their gross profit), and have exponential revenue growth.

[NicoJuicy]

If you want to read more about their financials of Q2, I found this very interesting:

https://softwarestackinvesting.com/cloudflare-net-q2-2023-ea...

[NicoJuicy]

I follow cloudflare closely and we use them at work. I agree with your statement :)

Their support is superbe, but it takes a while to access.

The only time we needed them, the chat option seemed relatively quick.

+ they pointed us to a tls connect issue at Azure with a very detailed analysis of why.

Thing is. If you see a cloudflare error page, it's probably you're hosting provider and not cloudflare...

[solatic]

Support and also all-around enterprise readiness. Even on the enterprise tier, their permissions management is a pale shadow of what IAM grants you on AWS or GCP, to the point where you will put your compliance as risk. No documentation on setting up SAML/SSO for their management console. It's very, very clear that their internal growth engines are set to ludicrous growth rates (to try and justify their outrageous stock price) and the organization is coming apart at the seams. None of which takes away from the fact that the core engineering is top-tier and the core tech product is best-in-class.

We'll see if NET survives public investor expectations.

[NicoJuicy]

I think they made their permission system much more fine grained during developer week.

Is your info still up to date? ( I'm not following this topic too much, but I do remember some things passing by).

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Additionally, most of their investors are companies and not private.

There's a lot going on. One of the improvements that they did was in the sales department.

If those previous sales that were severely underperforming are now replaced by even average sales. Then expect a big rise in sales for Q3.

Reference: https://softwarestackinvesting.com/cloudflare-net-q2-2023-ea...

[solatic]

Yeah, for example, you can grant Edit permissions on Cloudflare Workers overall within an account, but you cannot grant permissions on a single Cloudflare Workers deployment. Any developer who has permissions in, say, a development Cloudflare Workers deployment will thus have full permissions to the production Cloudflare Workers deployment, or permissions to deployments owned by other teams.

[mxschumacher]

please find the docs for SSO setup for the CF dashboard here: https://developers.cloudflare.com/cloudflare-one/application...

[solatic]

Why is this buried deep in the docs for Zero Trust and not part of user management? Why are there no references to it from user management, either in the docs or in the add/remove users screen?

[Thaxll]

So a cloud provider that does offer regular compute ( VMs )?

[zigzag312]

I find Cloudflares pricing webpage incredibly confusing.

[NicoJuicy]

What's confusing?

This is about R2

> Storage: $0.015 / GB - 10 GB free

> Class A operations (mutate state): $4.50 per million - 1 M. free

> Class B operations (read state): $0.36 per million - 10 M. free

Cloudflare workers:

> $0.15/million requests per month ( 100 k. / day included)

> Up to 30s wall time per request

Min. 5 $ / m. when exceeding the free tier.

https://www.cloudflare.com/plans/developer-platform/

[zigzag312]

On pricing page for R2 it says "Storage: 10 GB / month" is free ... what does it mean per month?

Info that there are "zero egress fees" is only available on R2 product page and not pricing page.

IMO R2 pricing page look like it only displays quick info and that there might be fine print somewhere, but there is no link to more details. It could be that's all there is to it, but somehow design feels off to me. Especially because of the "zero egress fees" info being displayed only on the product page.

Workers product page shows "Maximum number of scripts": 30 free, 100 paid. But on workers pricing page it shows "Up to 100 Worker scripts" for free and "Up to 500 Worker scripts" for paid.

Links to different sections (Pricing, Products...) don't have an option to open in new tab. IMO the whole website is weirdly organized. But maybe it's just me.

[NicoJuicy]

Concerning R2/storage:

Your are billed every month for your total storage. Every month you don't need to pay for the first 10 GB.

I'm not really sure if eggres has to be mentioned if it's widely known that Cloudflare doesn't bill for eggres. But I get your point.

Concerning Cloudflare workers:

Workers has a free tier and a paid tier at 5€/month.

The free tier has a limit of 100 workers and the paid tier has a limit of 500 workers.

Perhaps just scroll down a bit more on the pricing page of Cloudflare workers. I'm assuming you are checking it on Mobile and missed that.

About but being able to open pricing in a new tab. I noticed the same.

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They also have a minor UX issue that if you want to go to the Web analytics page, the menu goes to the first child and hides. So you'll have to click it open again and click on Web analytics ( again, just an issue on Mobile)

[zigzag312]

Compare info on workers product page and on workers pricing page, not everything matches.

EDIT: I'm testing on desktop.

[NicoJuicy]

Ok. You're right.

Notified them on their Discord of workers, let's see if it gets picked up tomorrow.

Edit: It's going to be escalated and fixed ( Got a response within 44 minutes ... On a Sunday, nice).