Hacker News new | ask | show | jobs
by sprash 979 days ago
Xwayland only provides backwards compatibility for a very small subset of the X11 ecosystem (E.g. window managers or xdotool are not supported). As such it is only useful for very limited X11 clients on the level of GNOME applications and in most cases completely useless.
1 comments
E1Q6Y57O 979 days ago
That's the same limitation as XQuartz or any other rootless X server. And you have this exactly backwards. The majority of X clients that users care about are ordinary programs, not window managers or xdotool.
link
sprash 979 days ago
> The majority of X clients that users care about are ordinary programs

This is simply not true. The only "odinary" programs according to your definition that I am running are a browser and a terminal. All other xclients I'm running go beyond that and can not work with Xwayland or XQuartz. (a quick ´grep "^[x,X]" .bash_history´ reveals xautolock, xbacklight, xbel, xcalib, xcape, xdpyinfo, xdotool, xkill, xmodmap, xrandr, xrdb, xsel, xset)

link
E1Q6Y57O 979 days ago
Replying again because you edited your comment.

xbacklight, xcalib, xcape, xmodmap, xrandr, xset: These are utilities specific to configuring the X server. They're needed on non-X11 window systems.

xbel: I don't know what this is.

xdotool: Some commands will still work. Other commands that require interaction from the window manager might not work, but they won't work on some X11 window managers either.

xrdb, xsel, xkill: These still work, although for obvious reasons they won't affect native Quartz or Wayland applications.

By the way, none of those are ordinary X applications. Notice how none of them actually display any windows or having graphical interactions with the user? You know, that thing that X11 is designed to do? Put windows on the screen?

link
E1Q6Y57O 979 days ago
Which X clients are these? You didn't name any so let's just look at some of the popular and recent flathub apps: https://flathub.org/

I see a lot of games, chat apps, text editors, photo apps, office apps. These all will work fine in XWayland and XQuartz. But also, it's relatively easy to get them running on Wayland natively.

link