[corethree]

What also pisses me off is fake excessive positivity. If there are genuine things that are bad or negative people should feel free to voice those opinions even if it hurts someones feelings.

Facts and truth are more important then feelings. We shouldn't lie or be fake just to cater to someones feelings. Ultimately the truth is better in the long term.

Because this is a real thing. Who would use this when there are other more popular languages out there that have basically the same syntax? What does this language excel at above all others ? If the author wants his language to have any chance or shot at real success he needs to address this.

If we just took your advice and didn't be negative in the spirit of "tinkering", "play" and "experimentation" then ultimately that advice is more poisonous than the negativity. You need to identify and test your product for it to be successful. Your advice is to blind him.

Seriously just looking at the web site my first thought was why wouldn't I just use python?

[throwaway17_17]

To answer your last question first: Nature seems to be an ahead of time compiled language with direct memory access vs. python’s being an interpreted strictly GC’d language. So the immediate conclusion would be, you would not use Python in a performer critical environment, i.e. game engine development for modern 3d video games (an area the author has commented several times is a personal use case).

Also, you are assuming some desire by the language designer to have the language be successful (whatever that may mean). One of the stated goals to raise user’s “joy” when programming. I think taking on a challenging problem and crafting a personally desired solution, and doing so well from a brief look at the implementation, is certainly something, that sounds like the kind of activity that could provide a great source of enjoyment/fulfillment/…. So a programmer developing a language they like and enjoy, then wanting to share that makes sense.

The main negatives I have seen expressed are ‘there are already too many programming languages, why add another, that’s a waste’ or ‘what is going to sell this language, the docs don’t make a big sales pitch’, etc. I have not seen any real criticism addressing the semantics and other than some mentions of significant white space vs. curly braces, I haven’t seen criticism related to the syntax.

So, if your negatives, which are so much more important than feelings or if the truths you referenced are substantive criticisms of the actual artifact, I would say lay them out and maybe have a conversation. But I don’t see anything substantial, just complaints about a person pursuing something they choose to pursue and making, what seems to be, a darn good effort in the process.

[corethree]

Skimming the website... that's not what I see. He'd do well to make what you said more evident. If it's for game engine development how does it access the GPU?

When I see the "Joy" of programming, honestly I don't care. Pretty much nobody cares. Just because someone says it's joyful doesn't make it joyful. This is essentially what he's saying: "Hey buddy use my generic product that exists in a thousand different forms everywhere, it makes you joyful"

That's why nobody cares. He did well by having examples of the code, he didn't do well by not stating where it excels above other languages. I left thinking it's like python with types.

>So, if your negatives, which are so much more important than feelings or if the truths you referenced are substantive criticisms of the actual artifact, I would say lay them out and maybe have a conversation. But I don’t see anything substantial, just complaints about a person pursuing something they choose to pursue and making, what seems to be, a darn good effort in the process.

If there's enough un-substantive criticism of a product it points to ineffective communication. If everyone is taking a shit on the product then it doesn't even matter if the product is good, it's still shit.

There's your conversation. If you want people to listen and have a conversation you need to effectively communicate. This site spawned a lot of criticism, so that's a problem stemming from the person STARTING the conversation.

You see what I wrote? Sounds mean right? But, personally I think it's better and more real than any advice you've given him.