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by leftnode 975 days ago
Is it widely assumed the thief is North Korea?
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From TFA:

> Some of the stolen Bitcoin successfully laundered last year has been traced to a wallet known to be used by Russian-linked criminal groups. Elliptic says this could point to the involvement of a broker or other intermediary with a link to Russia.

IMO, the most compelling story is that the thief is an attacker who had previously gained access, saw the news, and acted quickly to grab what they could. Security was not exactly a priority for these people.

Which likely is another example how crypto helps Russia to persevere against Ukraine despite sanctions.
While a mild pain, I don’t see Russia really having that many issues if they can’t just wire money from A to B.

Russia sells oil to India, India puts rupees or some other representation of currency into an Indian bank account and then Russia buys some finished Indian goods from that bank account.

This isn’t far from regular banking where everyone just tries to keep flows balanced. All that’s new is being unable to directly “balance” payments if they go out of whack too much.

Do they lose a few percent doing this? Probably, but the spike in oil prices makes up for it.

If you just hack you don't need any of that though. Balancing, goods delivery, currency controls... Drain a western company, mix crypto for optics, give it to Iran or DPRK or whatever in exchange for munition

Plus India and relatively reasonable countries are not especially keen on trading with Russia, while they are friends they also want to be friends with West. Remember India has big problems with China and who's gonna help them against China? not Russia

People are willing to override a lot of their ethical concerns (and accept potential long term pain in favour of short term gain) when it comes to slightly cheaper oil, gas, labour or any other need and want.

A few countries got themselves in a pickle after shutting down local coal production in favour of cheap and cleaner Russian gas…

It's not ethical concerns, it's territorial integrity.
any bitcoin can be traced to any other wallet if mixed enough or if enough hops. so what. proves nothing.
I don't know what is widely assumed, but I personally assume it was one of the insiders who shared credentials with the pretty clear intention of making it impossible to individually attribute any shenanigans, most likely SBF himself who actually did the theft.

Given the degree of surveillance he is under, he probably didn't directly execute the sale (but I wouldn't bet too heavily even on that.)

i would guess about 0% likelihood it is him. more liekly a hacker or employee. Being CEO, Sam would have the authority to take the money himself. He would not need to hack his own exchange.
>Being CEO, Sam would have the authority to take the money himself.

I don't think a CEO can just take money from the company without some form of approval. Isn't that embezzlement?

We're a talking private company in the Bahamas that has no oversight. There are no shareholders, board of directors, or audits. Sam can just go to the databases of pooled funds addresses from his admin panel and move some of those funds from A to B. Assuming anyone notices, he can pretend to be clueless. That is the scary thing about exchanges and why so many people in crypto say to self-custody. Your money is in the hands of people who can do whatever they want with it.
Didn't at least one major theft occur just as Altman was forced out as CEO?

And, in any case, avoiding attribution would be important whether or not he was CEO and especially if done when FTX was still pretending to be a viable business, since embezzlement isn’t legal and the CEO running off with a bunch of corporate assets kind of kills trust in the business.

An internal actor seems more likely to me, but who knows?
The FBI et al are very good at surveillance. I doubt anyone close enough to SBF to be part of a criminal conspiracy would be unknown to the FBI or not under surveillance at this point.
> would be unknown to the FBI

Being _known_ by the FBI doesn’t stop crime or terror attacks. More often than not when something big happens the FBI was already tipped off, an investigation started and then somehow someway the crime/attack/incident still happens.

they are good enough that afik maybe six or so hackers out of hundreds since 2013 or so have been caught. So not so good.
How many of those were conspiring together with a suspect already arrested and in custody?
As in an FTX staff member?
Yes
If someone is willing to steal from their customers and injure innocent, random public, then it seems like a small character epsilon to also steal from their employer and its investors.
You mean you think it's FBI officers, like in the Ross Ulbright case?
No i don't think he means that at all.

In the Ross Ulbright case the FBI got the bitcoin and then the two FBI agents stole it.

In the FTX case the crypto was taken from the exchange in the days before it declared bankruptcy so the FBI was not invovled.

Not sure where you read that they were. Can you provide a source for that?

Why would he need to hack his own exchange if he is CEO? He can just move the funds himself. I would wager it is not North Korea. Probably some guy in a developed country if I had to guess. That was the case with Bitfinex , for example. It's not who you would expect.
It's widely assumed the thief is someone at FTX.
Definitely North Korea. Just like that time the feds blamed North Korea for the Sony hack and then years later it was quietly revealed to have been a disgruntled former employee.

Occam’s Razor says it’s an employee, perhaps SBF himself (because #yolo).

> the Sony hack and then years later it was quietly revealed to have been a disgruntled former employee.

Source? As far as I can tell it’s still considered to have been North Korea

> years later it was quietly revealed to have been a disgruntled former employee

It doesn't appear to be anywhere near as solid as that.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Sony_Pictures_hack#Doubts...

Why haven't they arrested the former employee?
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> Why did the FBI then start a manhunt on Reddit leading to the suicide of the falsely accused suspect?

You have your facts completely mixed up. The man falsely accused by Reddit, not the FBI, had died a month before the Boston bombings occurred. The entire reason he was accused by Reddit is because he was already known to have been missing. His body was subsequently discovered more than a month after he died.

I can't find any evidence this happened. What I did find evidence for is that Redditors started a manhunt leading to a suicide. If you actually believe this happened, please inform us.
> What I did find evidence for is that Redditors started a manhunt leading to a suicide

The guy he's talking about was already dead weeks before the Boston bombing occurred. Reddit could not have been responsible for his death, reddit libeled a dead man.

They're trying to assassinate you by raising your blood pressure.
I was curious about this. The guy you're saying was falsely accused was ALREADY dead from suicide before the bombing took place. His body was found days after the bombing according to Wikipedia [1]. (took 3 seconds to find this reference) Also its a bit ridiculous to suggest the FBI tasked redditors with a manhunt.

1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_of_Sunil_Tripathi

FBI started a manhunt on Reddit ? Wow ok.
No doubt this could have been a pre-written script.