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by Etheryte 977 days ago
I have to say that it's beyond funny that Adobe is currently parading the same feature as the groundbreaking new thing in Photoshop and then Microsoft just goes and puts it in paint.
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This is quite an exaggeration. Integrating DALL-E into MS Paint has basically no similarities to the vast gen AI feature set announced by Adobe.

- Firefly Vector model

- Generated templates

- Res-up upscaling for videos and gifs

- Fast-fill for videos

- Distractor removal

- Individual item replacement

Too many to mention. Not to say OpenAI/MS are not capable of building similar features. Just that Adobe's tools are incomparably more advanced than integrating a prompt into MS Paint.

Technically I don't doubt a single word you say, you're clearly familiar with the matter and I'm not. But as a layman standing on the sidelines the two look the same.
And quite crucially, Adobe generative AI is trained on their commercial stock photos so the copyright situation is much less risky.
Everybody’s too concerned about copyright for training data, no one’s concerned enough that the outputs are considered non-copyrightable.

$50mm pre-product valuations for startups producing 3D assets for games via prompting a foundation model.

Zero due diligence on the U.S. copyright office’s stance that every asset those companies generate will be open to reuse.

I assume any tweaks to the assets and the way they’re put together will still be copyrightable though
Maybe, depends on the threshold for human creativity, which is still in flux.

You could copyright the underlying character maybe. But its a major headache for these companies and a symptom of the broader fact that copyright needs legislative reform, not attempting to shoehorn AI into the current law.

Is this in regards to established legal protections or in regards to ethics?

I am not sure that legal protections are guaranteed with using adobe AI, it could be better censored and so less risky(?), but I've not looked into that much yet.

As far as ethics go, I'm not sure that the photographers or artists or people in the stock photos had intended to give rights to remix their work using AI for all sorts of unforeseen uses.. and not just taking a person and putting their face in a pic / advert about [insert terrible thing here] - but also change their expression ..

Looks like the pricing model is different. The linked article only mentions "50 credits" with no further details, but this page[1] says it's $15 for 115 credits. In comparison, Adobe's Firefly appears to be 25 credits per month for free or $4.99 for 100[2]. But I guess users are already paying a monthly subscription fee to use Adobe products, so maybe Paint comes out to be cheaper.

[1] https://openai.com/blog/dall-e-now-available-in-beta

[2] https://www.adobe.com/sensei/generative-ai/firefly.html

It would be such a win for consumers if corporations weren’t allowed to just make up some currency and hide the true cost behind some translation layer and instead had to advertise the actual cost in dollars up front.

I get that completely outlawing the idea of credits would remove the ability to dynamically change the cost of computing for new purchases while still retaining computing units for people who have already bought them, so maybe credits themselves as a concept could stick around. But using them in advertising copy should not be allowed without providing the calculated dollar equivalent right alongside of them

"How can we get more people to use our AI offerings?"

"Shove it into MSPaint!"

I can't wait for Clippy2 inside notepad.

Sorry, but your reply is very misleading - you're linking the blog post of the release of the original DALL-E through OpenAI's own website (which was in 2022 - centuries ago by the current AI trends). The one integrated in Paint is DALL-E 3, and there's no separate pricing for it yet:

- It's available to most ChatGPT plus subscribers (very soon to be all of them), the subscription costs the same as it did before

- It's available for free in Bing Image Creator, with optional "boosts" that speed up generation (more can be redeemed with Microsoft Rewards)

- And now it's available in Paint as a part of their Windows Copilot update, for which they have not talked about pricing at all (Microsoft 365 Copilot has pricing, but it provides different services and is meant for companies)

The most basic app getting a most advanced feature.
Well they removed all paint "features" so they desperately need a new one.

It seems that the only intelligence left at Microsoft is the artificial one.