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by antisthenes 974 days ago
And struggling parents, presumably.

Education and learning is a skill that's transferred in a very large part from parents.

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there is also the trend in parenting from respecting and working with the teacher, to belittling them.
The stories you hear coming from teachers are nuts. My parents basically deferred to the teacher's opinion in almost all matters at school. Meanwhile, enough modern parents go to war for their little monsters that I think teachers feel limited in how firmly they can give negative feedback.
>Education and learning is a skill that's transferred in a very large part from parents.

No it isn't. Being able to impregnate a woman or give birth does NOT magically make you a great teacher! My mother has an innate gift for teaching, and she STILL benefited from 4-6 years of college courses and continual training and improvement over the 30 years she taught and is still teaching.

Meanwhile, the entire time she has taught, parents have done everything they can to shift blame from bad home life and kids that don't value education to "you aren't doing enough" even as she literally buys her students winter coats, from her own pocketbook, as the school doesn't even buy her new markers for her whiteboard or new material so she can stop using 25 year old VHS tapes that are literally losing their contents from normal wear, even as she is one of the favorite teachers in the entire school system because of her immense empathy, even as "bad kids" do very well in her class because of how sincere she is, how much she cares, and how good she is at her job.

People say "We've increased so much what money we give to schools" completely ignoring that the money has NOT been distributed in any sort of even way, and even in my state which has largely good outcomes for education, the vast majority of the funding goes to a couple prestige schools in the south that were already rich because they are in rich towns, and the little money that trickles to the impoverished schools in the rest of the state largely goes to paying administrators led by superintendents that are just whoever the "Good old boys" were twenty years ago. Actual teacher pay has not kept up with inflation.

I'm so sick of all this teacher blaming bullshit around education. Actually trained teachers have been shouting about what they need to improve things for decades, and none of the managerial class has given them even a shred of what they actually need, while everyone continues to blame them, and have even claimed public education is just indoctrination. It's infuriating.

Education is a skill, a professional and knowledge based skill. Teachers aren't baby sitters, and if you decide you only need a high school degree to teach, don't be surprised when it goes poorly.

There is a massive difference between educating a single person who you have a very close relationship with and managing the education of ~100 students in batches of 20 to 30 which you know for a single year, given only a few hours a week with them.

Most any parent (or most any relative or family friend) without training is able to do the first form of education due to how much time they can spend and the existing relationship, but they will not be able to do the second. There is a limit on how much education they can give based on their own knowledge, but even without training they can still teach the basics they know and instill a desire to learn.

We can't scale this. We can't hire enough teachers to work with students 1 on 1 in the same way parents can. We have to have experts who work with groups of students to continue their education into more advance knowledge. But even these experts can't do the entire process of education, at least not with the class sizes they are currently being given.

>We can't scale this. We can't hire enough teachers to work with students 1 on 1

1 on 1 is not necessary. Even one on ten is probably not necessary. One on twenty for the average case is effective, while "trouble kids" get smaller class sizes. School boards never approve that though.

Many states already have a pupil/teacher ratio under 20 for primary schools. It's not clear whether that significantly improves outcomes.

https://nces.ed.gov/programs/digest/d21/tables/dt21_208.40.a...

I am not OP but I don't think you are on the same page as the OP. I believe OP was trying to say was that parents heavily impact their children's ability to perform well in school. There are a ton of studies that show involvement from parents, parents level of educational attainment, the amount of resources that parents have access too etc. directly impact their children's educational outcomes. I could be wrong but I don't think the OP was blaming teachers I think OP would agree with your statement "Meanwhile, the entire time she has taught, parents have done everything they can to shift blame from bad home life and kids that don't value education to "you aren't doing enough"" https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2853053/ https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C6&q=pare...