[apitman]

> I think both products could even coexist

Fair enough, but developers and sysadmins don't want to choose between two great options. They want one obvious best option and a second option that is good enough and can be made better if option one turns evil.

[ffo]

Sure, there needs to be a „de facto“ OSS player in the space. Let me tell you that is what we definitely aspire to become.

I always think there was not yet the „gitlab“ effect in the identity space.

[apitman]

Gitlab is a great example of what I'm saying. Few use it today but that's probably where we would all go. You know, because we never actually learn the lessons of centralization.