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> It's also redundant because with 2000mAh... "thousand milli" can just be eliminated, leaving us with 2Ah.

But then you'd have to do more conversions when comparing. I've seen batteries with capacities as low as 10mAh. 4 digits is still a reasonably practical number.

[coder543]

In the consumer space, virtually no battery I've seen in more than a decade is less than 1000mAh. If you looked at the Reddit post, you know we're talking about laptops, tablets, phones, external power banks, that type of consumer-facing application. But, even then, converting is fine. People understand there are 1000 meters in a kilometer. I don't think any of this is rocket science.

However, outside of the consumer space... doing conversions like that is also fine. When browsing DigiKey, components are often listed in the optimal unit prefix. When necessary (not so much with batteries), the interface allows you to filter based on ranges you provide, and it will perform the necessary conversions for all the products to give you an accurate list.

[tivert]

> In the consumer space, virtually no battery I've seen in more than a decade is less than 1000mAh.

Behold:

https://www.amazon.com/Panasonic-BK-4MCCA4BA-eneloop-Pre-Cha...

https://www.amazon.com/PANASONIC-BATTERIES-CR1216-LITHIUM-BA...

https://www.amazon.com/SR521W-SR521SW-LR521-Alkaline-Battery...

> People understand there are 1000 meters in a kilometer. I don't think any of this is rocket science.

Yes, but it's one more mental operation, and every mental operation like that is relatively costly. People don't actually have that many slots of working memory. You are optimizing to minimize digits, which is probably the wrong thing.

[coder543]

>> virtually no battery

> Behold <a single counterexample that is far less commonly encountered by consumers than phones, tablets, laptops, or external power banks>

EDIT: Ok, now you have updated your comment to also include coin cells, which is even less relevant. This just shows you don't appreciate what we're talking about here.

Consumers care about the amp-hour capacity of larger devices for various reasons. They need to figure out how many times they can recharge a phone from an external power bank. They want to understand how much less efficient their laptop is than their tablet. That's not what they do with coin cells or AAA batteries.

You have also ignored that we can express 0.8Ah. It doesn't have to be 800mAh vs 2Ah. Since things less than 1Ah are far less common for consumers, it would be logical to just show everything in Ah, and then represent those smaller things as fractional Ah, if we're afraid of multiplying and dividing by 1000.

We could represent all distances in millimeters just in case, but we don't.

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> Behold <a single counterexample that is far less commonly encountered by consumers than phones, tablets, laptops, or external power banks>

People still use AAA batteries, and that probably the most well-known, premium brand of rechargeable AAAs.

> Consumers care about the amp-hour capacity of larger devices for various reasons. They need to figure out how many times they can recharge a phone from an external power bank. They want to understand how much less efficient their laptop is than their tablet.

But they do care about the metric prefix? mAh far more established and slightly more convenient to use than Ah for these kinds of batteries.

Edit:

> You have also ignored that we can express 0.8Ah. It doesn't have to be 800mAh vs 2Ah. Since things less than 1Ah are far less common for consumers, it would be logical to just show everything in Ah, and then represent those smaller things as fractional Ah, if we're afraid of multiplying and dividing by 1000.

I haven't ignored that, it's just not a very appealing thing to do and doesn't answer any of the problems with switching the customary prefix.

Yes. It would be possible to relabel all consumer batteries with Ah instead of mAh, but why would anyone want to go through all that trouble?

[coder543]

> People still use AAA batteries

Consumers do not know the amp-hour capacity of coin cells or AAA batteries. They don't know and they don't care. Consumers put a coin cell into an AirTag and come back a year later to replace it when their iPhone tells them to. They don't care about the capacity. It's not relevant to this discussion at all. The percentage of consumers who care about the capacity of those types of batteries is certainly tiny.

> But they do care about the metric prefix? mAh far more established and slightly more convenient to use than Ah for these kinds of batteries.

It is not more convenient, since consumers do not think about <1Ah values, virtually ever.

> Yes. It would be possible to relabel all consumer batteries with Ah instead of mAh, but why would anyone want to go through all that trouble?

And I repeat: We could represent all distances in millimeters just in case, but we don't.

LA is only 4,506,163,000 millimeters from NYC. Very convenient.

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> Consumers do not know the amp-hour capacity of coin cells or AAA batteries. They don't know and they don't care. Consumers put a coin cell into an AirTag and come back a year later to replace it when their iPhone tells them to.

Then why label batteries with a capacity at all, if consumers don't care so much?

They care when they're buying batteries and they have a choice of different ones to buy.

> It is not more convenient, since consumers do not think about <1Ah values, virtually ever.

Even if that were true, it doesn't justify changing the customary unit.

> And I repeat: We could represent all distances in millimeters just in case, but we don't.

> LA is only 4506163000 millimeters from NYC. Very convenient.

And people could report their height in meters, yet they frequently use centimeters.

Among other things, we don't use millimeters for long distances because 10-digit numbers tend to be an awkward number of digits to work with, but 4 or 5 digits are still pretty easy and natural to work with. I wonder how many digits the LA to NYC distance is in kilometers? Well, wouldn't you know it, it's 4.

Anyway, this conversation isn't going anywhere. Batteries will continue to be labeled in mAh, even if you have a strong personal opinion that everyone else is using the wrong prefix thousands of companies and millions of people just need to switch to Ah now.

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> They need to figure out how many times they can recharge a phone from an external power bank.

Watt-hours to the win! No more 10'000 mAh at 5V (nope, it's 3.7V) weirdness

[coder543]

I agree completely!

[Izkata]

How about Apple Airpods then? I've found 43.24 mAh and 49.7 mAh depending on the version.