[botanical]

Since 2000, 11 652 Palestinians and 2 246 Israelis have been killed by someone from the other side. So who is the perpetrator here when one side perpetuates Apartheid policies?

[voz_]

Jesus, a Jew, was born in the land called Israel today, well before islam even existed. Al Aqsa is a form of religious domination (building ones holy site on another, older, holy site) and the very presence of palestinians is a form of colonialism.

[botanical]

What does that have to do with the current-day persecution of Palestinians by Apartheid Israel?

Children under the age of 15 in Palestine make up 50% of the population. In Gaza, it's 45%. One thing I've noticed is news media equating Hamas with the majority of Palestinians, they weren't even born when they came into power.

Apartheid Israel and Palestine are not the same. Israel is the aggressor. They've ethnic cleansed so many Palestinians that there are 5.9 million refugees in Jordan and Lebanon. That's half of Israel's population.

* Illegal Settlers living in Palestine can vote in Israel but not Palestinians. Apartheid South Africa did the same, they put the people in their own "country" and so couldn't vote. Israel doesn't want 1 state as that would mean millions more voting. And it doesn't want 2 states as that would mean giving up valuable land.

* Israel has ethnically cleansed and fragmented areas into [isolated cantons divided by Israeli settlements](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_enclaves), and implemented [lebensraum](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lebensraum) tactics. This was called [Bantustans](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bantustan) in South Africa.

* [It denies Palestinian fishing past 3 nautical miles in some areas, and not past 15 nautical miles](https://www.ochaopt.org/sites/default/files/styles/inline100...)

* [The Apartheid Separation wall](https://i.pinimg.com/originals/d0/73/81/d07381fffef632350bcb...)?

* The settlers kill and burn homes to get rid of people: [stealing homes](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNqozQ8uaV8) and destroying olive tree groves. They pour concrete into Palestinian farmers' water wells.

* [They control the water completely](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_supply_and_sanitation_in...).

* [They get 12 hours of electricity a day](https://www.ochaopt.org/page/gaza-strip-electricity-supply).

* Palestinians didn't have 3G until 2018, their access is also restricted.

* They [blockade](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blockade_of_the_Gaza_Strip) Gaza, making it a concentration camp of 2.2 million people where 44% are children.

* [Not All Israeli Citizens Are Equal](https://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/24/opinion/not-all-israeli-c...)

* There were `5,248,185` Palestinian refugees in 2020; that's equal to half the population of Israel.

* [Israel dictates who you can marry](https://preview.redd.it/1k7jnev0pq971.jpg?width=1024&auto=we...)

* [Segregated road system](https://s3.amazonaws.com/VP2/visuals/en/4db97391fe7cb2462249...)

* [Israel Forcibly Injected African Immigrants with Birth Control](https://www.forbes.com/sites/eliseknutsen/2013/01/28/israel-...)

* 50% of Palestinians are children.

As someone from South Africa, I've seen ethnic cleansing and Israel is doing worse. Israel is absolutely an Apartheid state. Various human rights organisations have already stated this.

[voz_]

It matters because it shows that the palestinians / arabs are the colonizers. They are the ones who are seeking to displace natives.

[botanical]

There are Palestinian Christians too who are displaced by the illegal Israeli settlers. Israelis are as native as the Palestinians; especially when you consider that Israelis have come from elsewhere in the Middle-East and from Europe. Whereas the Palestinians have always been there, most being ethnically cleansed in the last 75 years. On the other hand, 17% of Israelis speak Russian; they have recently made Israel their home.

But you are arguing disingenuously, you know it, and I'd rather not continue this farce.