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by pylua 977 days ago
Spring is basically a standard in itself and it is easier to hire people in it. It also normalizes large pieces of the backend application so even though they are written by different people they are similar.

Once you learn the annotation based configuration it also saves a lot of time.

The performance is valid but it will only keep improving.
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RamblingCTO 977 days ago
To be honest, over the almost 5 years we're into using it, I spent more time debugging funky stuff due to that design that it would've cost me to just do it by hand. By a big margin.
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loginatnine 977 days ago
As a Spring power user, you sound like you're ranting against something you don't/didn't understand.
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RamblingCTO 976 days ago
It's weird that some people including you directly attack my competence. As a power user you should have plenty of experience getting something to work that is not properly document, does not work how the documentation promised it to, or has weird problems on top of it. Look at idiotic things like this:

https://github.com/spring-projects/spring-boot/issues/33044

Take any similar issue and you'll see a bunch of people who try to find a solution for them because they just aren't repeatable at all. The underlying issue is the auto configuration doing things you can't follow quite properly. It's like it wasn't mean to be understood. Issues like the one I linked above also show me that the spring dev crowd also doesn't understand the ecosystem anymore. The problem is complexity and automagic.

/e: this is what I mean in a nutshell https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37839306 and that will happen regardless of how much you "learnt" about spring boot ...

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pylua 976 days ago
I can definitely relate to these sorts of problems and I have faced them many times.

Honestly I have gotten so use to reading the decompiled source of code in IntelliJ to determine how to enable / disable items it is second nature.

Given the expressiveness and power behind the system that is a trade off I am willing to take. To a certain extent I think it is a trade off of using a tool that has so many permutations.

What you are saying is certainly justified.

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