[ireallywantthat]

I didn't bash Java/Kotlin. In fact, I have written few android apps in Kotlin, Java and I also have fiddled with Jetpack compose, JNI and NDK (I have also played with mpv's Opengl/Vulkan's rendering on Android if that matters to you). I don't want to share the projects of mine because i don't want to reveal my identity.

> https://gioui.org/

I know that tailscale's android application is written in it but i don't think gioui is great for android apps.

> Tell me you've never done any Android development, without telling me...All this Java/Kotlin bashing is getting really old, especially for a forum like this one.

Ok, this one hurts. Why are you attacking me instead of defending your stance. All are allowed to have opinions and I am allowed to have one(It's sad to explain this to someone on forum like this one). I dream of Linux-desktop kinda situation where you can program in any language you want, where you are not hindered by any platform/framework, where you have complete freedom and where you don't want to be bothered/(vendor locked-in) by Bigcorps(looking at you Google services framework).

> write GUIs in a non-GC language like Rust which _has_ to run on what's essentially a Java VM (ART).

Haha, non-GC languages power the GUIs on Android fyi. Jetpack compose is powered by Skia. Chromium is powered by Skia. Skia is C++.

Please do your own research before commenting low-effort replies.

[rohandhruva]

> Haha, non-GC languages power the GUIs on Android fyi. Jetpack compose is powered by Skia. Chromium is powered by Skia. Skia is C++.

Skia is not something you use to write apps: it's a graphics engine, essentially something you use to draw polygons on the screen.

> Why are you attacking me instead of defending your stance. All are allowed to have opinions and I am allowed to have one

I apologize if any of this sounded like an attack. I was trying to be funny with that meme-like sentence formation, but I don't profess to disparage anyone's skills or opinions.

> I dream of Linux-desktop kinda situation where you can program in any language you want, where you are not hindered by any platform/framework, where you have complete freedom

Linux desktop is certainly not the dream world you describe. Practically, you _have_ to pick a toolkit: one of GTK / KDE / Qt / electron / etc. Maybe it helps to think of Android's toolkit (Views or Compose) as one of those.

[ireallywantthat]

> Skia is not something you use to write apps: it's a graphics engine, essentially something you use to draw polygons on the screen.

So, AOSP team can obviously create Rust framework ontop of Skia(or tinyskia,femtovg,etc.), make Android APIs available in Rust, Create proper widget framework and let us create Android Applications written entirely in Rust.

> Linux desktop is certainly not the dream world you describe. Practically, you _have_ to pick a toolkit: one of GTK / KDE / Qt / electron / etc. Maybe it helps to think of Android's toolkit (Views or Compose) as one of those.

I know what I am talking about. This is exactly the freedom that I was talking about. I am able to choose any framework/toolkit I want. If i don't want any framework, that's fine too. You don't have that freedom in Android. Everything has to be routed via Java ecosystem that AOSP constructed.

[pjmlp]

Calm down with that "Haha", all those native libraries powering Android are behind JNI walls, and even NDK code is obliged to make use of JNI to call into them.

Please do your own research on how AOSP is actually implemented.

[ireallywantthat]

Calmed down.

> behind JNI walls, and even NDK code is obliged to make use of JNI to call into them.

What i originally told was "enable us to let create Android Applications entirely in Rust (including the GUI)" . Surely Google and AOSP projects can remove the restrictions that you mentioned and provide us alternative to Kotlin/Java ecosystem which is what i really want and hope them to do. Smartphones powered by Android are capable computers and freedom for App development is appreciated.

Please don't mention once again that "X is not implemented in AOSP. Y is required to make use of JNI calls into them". You know that this is superficial barrier and can be overcome/corrected if they wanted to.

[pjmlp]

If you want freedom for app development buy a Pinephone or Librem 5 device.

Android Brillo demise already proved that isn't what Google cares about.