Clearly! I don’t know if I’d say it’s “on par” if an Apple A-series part (i.e., low power enough to be shipped in iPhones and not in any of their “serious” computers) is actually getting slightly higher numbers than the fastest, most power hungry core that AMD has right now!
> I don’t know if I’d say it’s “on par” if an Apple A-series part (i.e., low power enough to be shipped in iPhones and not in any of their “serious” computers) is actually getting slightly higher numbers than the fastest, most power hungry core that AMD has right now!
It isn't. The A17 Pro gets 7199 on GB6 multi-thread compared to 18778 for the 7950X, and multi-thread workloads are the only thing that will cause the 7950X to use its full TDP. If you give the Apple chip a desktop's power budget, the single-thread number barely changes because that isn't what sets the TDP.
And Zen4 is punching above its weight because it's on TSMC 5nm compared to the A17 Pro on TSMC 3nm. Try comparing the chips that use the same process.
I dunno, I haven't seen much evidence that 3nm is as big a leap as hoped/claimed, the A17 pro is certainly impressive but in most cases it is not more efficient for its power gains.
No, that is clearly not the case given that the TDP of the A17 Pro (10W) is 17 times less than the TDP of the 7950X (170W) while the multi-core performance of the 7950X is only 2.6x that of the A17 Pro.
The reason it uses more power is that it's less efficient. The reason it has higher multi-core performance is that it has four times the number of cores.
Interesting that you‘re writing about serious computers followed by referring to running games at 200 fps. It seems like you yourself don’t know anything about actual “serious“ use-cases.
Here's what I did years ago, and will never look back:
1. Get a usb extender and a fiber optic displayport extender.
2. Stick your computer in the garage, run the cables to whatever room and hook up your monitor and peripherals.
3. Enjoy as perfect silence and low heat generation as can be possibly be achieved. (Monitors generate heat and sometimes electrical noise, and mice and keyboards are what they are)
yup. if you are picky about mobo selection, you can also do it all over one fiber thunderbolt cable; I have my desktop rackmounted and could go up to 165ft away for the desk.
It’s a problem with laptops especially, where massive coolers aren’t a possibility (at least if you want the laptop to be more than just technically “portable”). Even worse, tiny whiny fans are the standard there which means anything with much power at all will have times where its fans are screaming. Really annoying.
I have seen this over and over again and it is tiring. We are discussing ISA, uArch ( and possible Node as well ) in a ChipandCheese article. Not a CPU comparison / gamer review site.
That is like saying every single Intel CPU cant be overclocked because they were not designed to do so. There certainly is a limit ( It definitely cant do 5Ghz ), but I am willing bet a 20% is easily achievable with enough cooling.
The A17 is already on the TSMC 3nm process, while the 7950X is on TSMC 4nm. If anything, the A17 has the advantage here and the real question is, where the AMD chip would land if it was produced with the same technology.
Clearly! I don’t know if I’d say it’s “on par” if an Apple A-series part (i.e., low power enough to be shipped in iPhones and not in any of their “serious” computers) is actually getting slightly higher numbers than the fastest, most power hungry core that AMD has right now!