[wustangdan]

I see it less as an alliance and more like a shift. Being pro freedom of speech and the freedom of computing you are pushed out of the left. You can say they aren't the actual left, but the fact is their anti-free speech ideas are polling over 50% so hate to say it, but they are the left. See "The shift in Democratic views on free speech — what’s going on?"

"at least until they get to power" 2016-2020 was when the left ramped up their censorship efforts, not the right. So how do you square that sentence with what actually happened?

[darigo]

>So how do you square that sentence with what actually happened?

One way to square that with what happened: The left continued accruing power throughout Trump's presidency. I don't think the model of power relations presented in, eg, the constitution, or a civics class, or even an econ 101 class, have existed for centuries now

[wustangdan]

I'd buy that.

[ReptileMan]

>"at least until they get to power" 2016-2020 was when the left ramped up their censorship efforts, not the right. So how do you square that sentence with what actually happened?

During the Trump years the leftist controlled only the social media, most of traditional media, cultural institutions, academia, almost any big institution became "woke" and the civil service. And whomever has watched Yes minister knows who actually rules a country. And the censorship machine was well oiled for the 2020 election. We had literal pleas to pharma giants to postpone the covid vaccine after the election.

https://www.natesilver.net/p/twitter-elon-and-the-indigo-blo...

[catlover76]

> And whomever has watched Yes minister knows who actually rules a country.

Are you under the impression that Yes Minister was a documentary?

[ReptileMan]

>Are you under the impression that Yes Minister was a documentary?

Are you under the impression that it wasn't?

Trump years showed clearly how the career people could sabotage easily administration's agenda.

[catlover76]

Yeah sure bro, sabotaged; totally not the case that Trump and his stooges were incompetent, just as many predicted and warned.

Imagine if Trump had just let normal Republicans run everything the way they would have done had we had a President Kasich or something; things probably would have gone fairly well and we'd most likely be in his second term right now.

Man, if I had a son and he turned out to be right-winger, I don't know what I'd dislike about the situation more: that he'd be bigoted or that he'd be a little bitch who participated in a culture of never assuming responsibility for one's own short-comings and instead blamed his failings, and those of anyone he was misguided enough to admire, on shadowy others (as well as being so unselfconsciously asinine so as to publicly assert that "Yes Minister" somehow possesses real explanatory and descriptive power).

Granted, if he were a committed left-winger that would come with its own set of problems, but at least most of his misjudgments would involve a kind of misdirection or misguidance of moral impulse and an overabundance of empathy and altruism, as opposed to the almost naked abandonment of any semblance thereof.