[tjrgergw]

> There is no need to argue about that between ourselves.

I don't know. Speaking strictly objectively: if you look at polls, Putin is extremely popular amongst republican voters.

[FpUser]

The West had dealt with, tolerated and admired many dictators and keeps doing it. It does not mean that we import their way of governing. At least not yet.

Russia is a separate subject I think. Putin being bad as he is I think the way situation is turning out could be the biggest US fuck up ever

[throwaway290]

The US should roll over and allow the largest country and its bully government to occupy more territory instead of helping UA?

But in any case, it's another example, in Russia there was no need to argue about the war because the pro war side (Putin) won by default without even considering what the other side thinks, and it only shows how lost the cause of democracy is there

[tjrgergw]

You think that Russia won the Ukraine war?

[throwaway290]

No, I write that pro war side in Russia won the argument about whether to go to war using FpUser logic:

> If you feel need to argue you are not winning

Yeah Putin never felt the need to argue about war. Meaning that logic makes absolutely zero sense unless you're a dictator.

[FpUser]

You have some pretty wild imagination. Not my logic at all.

[FpUser]

If the US was smarter Russia would not be in UA at all.

[throwaway290]

Maybe if they did the orange revolution or something sure, but you can go down the what if route forever and no one has actual access to alternative histories and whether it would have been worse. But of course you know better.