[dayvid]

I read the infamous article that tried to cancel Stallman and agreed with most of it. She was wrong at the end when she tried to destroy his legacy and image.

Stallman has done a lot, but he's doing more harm than good nowadays. It's mature to know when to step down and give the next generation space to grow.

[0atman]

I read just today that there's no such thing as 'cancel culture', what it is, is 'consequence culture': The observation that it's becoming less accepted that we must protect the rich/famous/powerful just because they're rich/famous/powerful.

[peanutcrisis]

You should check out this interview with FIRE's president [0], and his upcoming book [1]. You can also check out Jerry Coyne's blog [2], which acts as a repository for a lot of the bad behaviour coming from the Critical Social Justice (CSJ) types.

The notion of "consequence culture" encompasses "cancel culture". It shouldn't be a surprise that bad faith actors exist, and netizens can be manipulated. To dismiss "cancel culture" is to dismiss the notion that bad faith actors exist. Of this set of bad faith actors, I think the CSJ types are by far the worst. They exploit the good reputation of liberal social justice (i.e. the original gay, female, black rights movement), and through motte and bailey, manipulate people into their version of social justice (CSJ), which is unsubstantiated, comically simplistic, discriminatory, and divisive. By masquerading themselves as purveyors of issues we care about, their bad behaviour becomes harder to call out as well, since they can misrepresent their critics as being against the issues we care about, and weaponize their compassion to mob their critics. Conflating "consequence culture" with "cancel culture" is just one of the many ways they're achieving that.

[0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buarAx_u2qg

[1] https://www.amazon.sg/Canceling-American-Mind-Undermines-Thr...

[2] https://whyevolutionistrue.com/category/cancel-culture/

[thereddaikon]

Oh there absolutely is. Problem is, many different situations all get thrown under the same umbrella term. Not everyone who gets canceled is in a position of power or a bully. Plenty of little guys have been taken down by online mobs over the years. The important thing is to be able to recognize the difference

[arp242]

I like that phrasing, but that doesn't mean that the consequences in "consequence culture" are sometimes hugely outsized for what the transgression is (or that there can't be a disagreement about various aspects).

[digging]

This is the reality and thanks for saying it. Bullies and harassers get so used to having their way that they think they're being victimized when others call them out for bullying and harassment.

[tmpX7dMeXU]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjMPJVmXxV8&vl=en

I think that it’s useful to hear a balanced take on cancel culture from someone that’s not, frankly, some Hollywood figure making dumb “cancel culture” jokes because they’re secretly pooping their pants over when it’s going to happen to them.