[rjh29]

I want one but it's not quite there yet for me, still 50% more expensive than a thinkpad (let alone a refurb one, which is arguably better for the environment than buying a framework) and it falls behind on keyboard, trackpad, chassis materials and number of ports. They are doing amazing work but it needs a few more iterations.

The chassis is made of much cheaper materials, it does not look cheap but it won't withstand the abuse of a thinkpad t series or similar.

[Leimi]

I'm curious how it's 50% more expensive than (new) thinkpads. Personally I'm looking for machines where there is at least 64gb soldered, or the possibility to upgrade later. In the thinkpad line that means basically only the X1 now for 13/14 inches laptops. And it's not cheaper than the framework.

I agree about the rest, a few things are not quite there yet, or maybe will never be. But on lots of things it is really refreshing.

[tadfisher]

I'm typing on a P14s Gen 4 (AMD), which has 64gb soldered and a Ryzen 7840 SOC. It also has an OLED screen, which is hit-or-miss depending on your preferences; I value the high resolution and color accuracy, but it's not the best choice for battery life.

[Leimi]

man, I was convinced this was 32gb max, great to hear!

I have the gen 2 which is the most annoying thinkpad I ever had, but well, it's still really great compared to other brands.

[mkozlows]

I don't agree. I've owned a ThinkPad T and currently have a Framework. I'd give the build quality edge to the Framework, even without the repairability (which is obviously better).

[rjh29]

There is some subjectivity but the Framework is plastic+aluminium, glossy and has flex especially in the lid, and photos online show it warping when dropped.

The T14s is made of magnesium. It is completely solid, even the keyboard does not flex when typed on. It feels much more premium imo.

[moneywoes]

what thinkpad models are you looking at? i have a t480 and it seems due for upgrade as the battery is pitiful even after upgrading

[rjh29]

imo the T14 AMD (or the T14s if you need usb4 and a slightly nicer looking chassis) are the best value in the thinkpad range.