[okokwhatever]

Its so funny everybody is talking just about Amsterdam. Try this in Rome and then lets talk again. Guys, you´re forgetting cities are cultural places not robot factories. Cultural and existential differences are real and shouldn't be imposed by law just to recall quietness in a crowded place like a city in Europe where people live in the streets as a cultural thing. We´re constantly educating the population by law and not by the example and it´s to retrograde.

[mcv]

Well, the article is about Amsterdam.

But Amsterdam also has plenty of noise that doesn't come from cars. Some bars and and similar venues can produce quite a lot of noise. You don't want to live upstairs from one of those if you're a light sleeper who goes to bed early. People living there also complain a lot about tourists in the red light districts.

But all of that noise is very local. The people living there know that this is an issue, but it's only an issue for people in the immediately vicinity. Of course tourist hotspots will be noisy, but cars go everywhere.

The amount of noise coming from car traffic is significant, and it's directly related to the speed of cars. The A10 ring road around Amsterdam is 100 km/h in most places, but the west ring goes straight through a very dense residential part of the city, and for that reason, it's I think the only snelweg in the country that's limited to 80 km/h. Which still produces a lot of noise, so it's also surrounded by massive sound barriers. Somehow we don't put those sound barriers around every cafe.

[Vinnl]

Plenty of people living in the streets in Amsterdam as well (and that number is only rising as cars are made less prominent), but that "noise" is of a significantly different quality than car noise is.

When I said "pretty quiet", I didn't mean "completely silent", I just meant that it doesn't feel noisy.

(Though I don't recall anyone suggesting the law should be used to enforce people to be silent.)

[pjc50]

You're fighting shadows again. The human noise of people as in Rome is the kind of thing people are trying to optimize _for_, because there's an inherent tension between high speed cars and pavement cafes. Admittedly Rome has both, but not on the same streets.

[michaelhoney]

Venice is in Italy. I have stood outside at night and basked in the relative silence.