[Capricorn2481]

It's not dumb to suggest the existence of humans might be unsustainable for the entire planet at this point, and it might be a net good if we don't take everything with us. I don't agree with it, but it's not dumb.

Where do we even fix the issue in the U.S. right now? Solar is still out of reach for a lot of people and states refuse to subsidize it. Everything is built so far apart that we need cars. We can't correct our farming practices without starving the country. It's not even nihilism, it's just that we don't have any realistic options right now.

[ben_w]

Convince enough voting Americans that America isn't #1 at everything and can in fact learn from other nations and improve things by copying what they do.

For example, the low-end supermarket brand here in Berlin actually sells fresh fruit and vegetables, so we don't get the "food deserts" that the US suffers from (or if they do exist, nowhere near as severely): https://www.aldi-nord.de/sortiment/obst-und-gemuese.html

They also sell micro-PV systems for people renting apartments: https://www.aldi-onlineshop.de/p/plug--play-balkon-kraftwerk...

And a nation-wide (non-express) public transport pass costs €49/month.

[PoignardAzur]

Man, it's going to suck when the world ends in a fiery ball of death because some americans somewhere decided "Meh, we'll never fix the problems in this country, not worth trying".

[Capricorn2481]

Then you misunderstand my comment. The point is not to say we shouldn't try, the point is that we need to get real about what needs to be done. If we approach everything from "How do we fix this without inconveniencing ourselves, because we're the most important thing on this planet?" then we are screwed.