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by fifilura 999 days ago
Is public WiFi a thing in NY these days?

In Sweden you'd just sit down and use your phone as a proxy. It is usually much faster, and also much safer.

I live in a smaller town. Maybe the crowdiness of Manhattan is the issue?

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As jrmj notes, phone plans with tethering aren't as common and often come with strings attached.

I use my phone in coffee shops that don't have [acceptable] WiFi. The main drawback is needing to be mindful of phone battery in addition to the laptop battery.

That being said, it's a great resource when you need a space to work at 11am-2pm (when all of the WiFi-offering spots are filled). There are a couple of local coffee shops with no WiFi, that don't forbid laptops – they're usually empty during peak hours.

Although they may exist, I’ve never seen a European provider prohibit tethering.

One would hope such silliness should be illegal.

I just googled it and see that Verizon in the US was successfully sued for blocking tethering .. one would hope that more people take action against companies attempting this.

I use my iPhone and cellular iPad for 80 GB tethering per month used outside of home and work, for instance in a NYC cafe or outside during the summer. I don't like relying on public WiFi for security reasons. I also bring a nice large powercell for additional charge. It adds about an extra pound, but gives me a full recharge on the 16" MacBook Pro.

Using fast.com (Netflix server) I get 56 Mbps down and 24 Mbps up on Verizon with my iPhone 15 Pro Max in Manhattan which is another reason to use WiFi.

The issue is the lack of cheap phone plans that allow tethering. And even the more expensive ones that do often have low data caps.
Why would a provider forbid tethering? And besides the why, how would they even know you're doing that? If I turn on my phones hotspot, doesn't that look exactly like my phone is doing something™ requiring a high bandwidth?
Very annoyingly, the iPhone also has a way for the carrier to somehow disable the mobile hotspot feature of the phone for their sim.

On the mobile hotspot settings page it will just show a message with a link to the carriers website instead of the toggle to enable it, I find it really annoying since as you said I don't understand how there would be a difference in what the usage would look like to the carrier and it feels like Apple is imposing a restriction just for the benefit of the carrier that makes the phone less usable.

This is Apple's fault. Android phones do not have this problem.
Android phones have the exact same issue. For years I had to use an ADB work around to get tethering.
Android does
Not sure if android has that but I never heard of anything like that here in Europe.
Because they want to charge you for the expensive "tethering" option. I know, that's fucked up but the US are not very good at forcing consumer-friendliness on their companies.

On the "how they detect it", unless you're using a VPN they can look at the traffic and easy distinguish "computer traffic" from regular "phone traffic".

TTL, traffic use amounts. Domains not available to mobile apps. your phone tells the network and sometimes implements the restrictions itself
I perpetually keep my Hotspot on my phone on. For family members and my spare phone. It doesn't drain the battery in any noticeable way.

To me it's weird and so much friction to try figure out wifi Hotspot and password and login. Makes me feel like a homeless poor person, as if I can't pay for my own mobile data.

I didn't have internet at my house for a week and had to use my phone hotspot: the amount of heat my phone generated greatly increased while the battery life greatly decreased.

If you're not noticing a drain on your battery from keeping your hotspot on its because no one is connected to it / using it.

I basically never use wifi outside of my house these days
Espresso House (in Sweden) tends to have public access wifi, but it is extremely slow compared to 4G.

What I find more surprising is that Sweden dropped “unlimited” data plans, I’m not aware of any data plan that is unlimited now. So if you want to do some video calls then I would be looking for wifi.

30GB/month will get you very far also for video calls IMO.

But yes that is exactly the thing. Except for the security risks it is just not worth the hassle to go through a captive portal sign-on just to find out that the WiFi is so much worse than using your phone.

What do you mean? There's unlimited data plans, e.g. telenor, tele2, tre, chilimobil, etc.
oooo this is new.

2017 there were none, I checked. Seems like they're back!

They've been around for a very long time as far as I know.
Yet I couldn't find one and I was specifically looking for one. :)

And I've been living in Sweden since 2014, and it was commented on that "they're dissapearing" a few times in the games studio I was working in.

Glad they've been around, but the way you say this seems to indicate that I was lying and there's genuinely no reason for me to do that.

> the way you say this seems to indicate that I was lying

No, I was just saying

Yes, NYC has Wi-Fi at many shops and restaurants, and at the very least, it has these LinkNYC stations that provide free Wi-Fi along with Google Maps and other services.

https://www.link.nyc

What i meant was - is it really needed when everyone has internet in their pocket?
Not everyone does, though, especially foreign tourists that don't have a data plan in the US. It's good to have free public Wi-Fi.
european data plans tend to be cheaper iirc