[Kretinsky]

Just like stopping any representation of smoking in movies, preventing the spread of CSAM, even AI generated, should reduce the consumption.

Would you leave your kids for the night at the house of someone who enjoys making AI CSAM?

[Tade0]

I'm not interested in the "should". I want to know if there's an approach that has actually been tried that yielded any effect.

[Kretinsky]

It's well known by psychologists working with child molesters that CSAM consumption leads to action. Given that we're talking about child rape, which is probably the most destructive thing for society, even a "should" is enough to take action.

I'm astonished about the level of precaution here. What's next? We have no clear data about what would happen if we offered nuclear ICBM to Zimbabwe, so why not do it?

[defrost]

It's equally well demonstrated that child psychologists can create CSAM and by your reasoning that will lead to rape.

https://www.kidspot.com.au/parenting/australian-child-psycho...

I'm astonished about the level of precaution here. What's next? We have no clear data about what would happen in the future so why not ban all child psychologists?

[kanbara]

if you keep posting the same thing in every reply to everyone in this thread, it won’t help.

we can have a nuanced conversation about how you support making thought-crimes illegal, and how we alreasy know videogames dont cause violence, but somehow because children are involved we have to ban every single thing possible

[defrost]

What nonsense are you talking here?

The comment you replied to was the first comment I made in this thread and the only comment in which I wrote that content, this is my third comment in this thread.

Are you always this confused and misguided?

[Kretinsky]

Are you running of arguments? Is it complex? Don't create, own nor distribute CSAM. Why is this thread full of pedo apologists? lol next comment like this I'm going to send money to the EU MPs that want to scan all devices for CP.

[defrost]

Given this is my first comment in this thread and given I've been having forum discussion since pre-WWW usenet the answer is 'No, I am not "running of arguments" '.

> Is it complex?

Your trite CSAM --> pedo's "argument"?

No, that's hardly complex, more overly simplistic and unbacked by actual data.

> Why is this thread full of pedo apologists?

Gosh, is that weak shade directed at myself?

For the record I've no love for pedo's, I've worked with law enforcement to track pedo's, etc.

What I dislike is weak, soft brained, unjoined up thinkings that lack sound data backing .. which this thread is also full of.

Consider, for example, the despicable and depraved Brother Paul Francis Keaney, MBE, ISO (5 October 1888 – 26 February 1954).

Well known paedophile offender, famously gave weight to the expression "Christian Buggers", oversaw a concentration camp dedicated to the perpertration of systematic rape of children, etc.

Not once associated with CSAM.

[Tade0]

> It's well known by psychologists working with child molesters that CSAM consumption leads to action.

Do you have a study on that that you can link to?

I feel like so much of what is done in this space is based on what someone thinks would work, not what actually does, making us all waste time and effort. Very much like the "videogames cause violence" argument.

Paedophiles existed before such materials became widely available. Arguably it was more common back then. What's the reason and how to stop it?

[hn_acker]

> Would you leave your kids for the night at the house of someone who enjoys making AI CSAM?

Probably not, but social ostracization and targeted bans by law (makes AI CSAM = cannot be a teacher) could stand in for a full legal ban.

Less importantly, your smoking in movies analogy is not very applicable because smoking is legal and smoking in movies is legal. Also, there are ads for smoking in public, like at gas stations.

[Kretinsky]

Smoking is an example among other, Cinema has been a great way to advertise things. Would you say that video advertising doesn't work? Exposure to CSAM content can be a trigger in some individuals with predisposition.

FYI, many countries ban smoking in movies and in advertising (which should be the norm), for this exact reason. For instance, in France: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loi_%C3%89vin

Also, one has to explain to me why the right to own CSAM is so important in their society. Why should the rights of people having a child rape fetish be protected and enforced? How about the rights of the children (and their parents who would like not to live in fear of such individuals).