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by hokuula 996 days ago
>The wound is still relatively fresh.

Only a portion of the community still actively talks about the overthrow. Many Native Hawaiians also support the TMT.

>but that doesn't mean I want another country to invade and then build it.

A lot of the people who overthrew Queen Liliuokalani were subjects of the Kingdom [1]. It's a common propaganda point of the sovereignty movement to just label them as Americans, to imply they were some foreigners that just came in and overthrew the Queen. The calling in of the Marines wasn't really sanctioned by the US and later on the US attempted to give Hawaii back to the monarchy.

The sovereignty movement like to play it like the US just invaded, took over the land, and forced out the Native Hawaiians, just like they did with tribes on the mainland. But that's really not true at all. More importantly, it has nothing to do with Maunakea, as the mountain itself never really belong to the people.

1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Committee_of_Safety_(Hawaii)

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I did not mean to imply that all native Hawaiians agree about this, it's a big population so obviously there will be diversity of views. My main point was just that there are native Hawaiians in significant numbers at all - there are some descendants of Taino in Puerto Rico, but very few and it's been centuries since they were independent.

I understand there is some debate about how involved the US government was in overthrowing the Hawaiian government. It seems like everyone agrees that there was a coup with the express purpose of achieving annexation by the US, the majority of Hawaiians did not support annexation, and the US government did it anyway. That happened relatively recently, a lot of people are still mad about it, and it's a legitimate thing to be mad about. The US took over a weaker nation against the will of its people. The most generous view we can take is that a minority of Hawaiians requested annexation and the US agreed, which would still be unjust.

I don't think historical details about how exactly the coup happened are relevant to this discussion, and if they are I'm definitely not qualified to argue about them.