[EatingWithForks]

> If you just want to learn and grow, you should avoid the university system entirely.

I disagree with this. The university system is really good for exposure, assuming that people who are attending the system actually take advantage of the exposure. e.g. I was able to take dedicated lessons in multiple languages, artistic mediums, theories in various fields, by experts in each field. Many of these experts were presenting their work for free outside of lessons, and often times provided free food and drink to boot! Also, because my institution was larger, we often had scholars travel here to present their various works and even little get-togethers where multiple scholars from multiple fields collaborated and presented work. For free! With free food and drink!

I can't get a single dedicated language instructor for my life nowadays, it's bullshit apps or stuff oriented towards children only. Same if I wanted to learn the basics of, say, a performance art, or painting. The best system I have nowadays for learning is mostly hacker spaces and maker spaces, but they're specialized in what they can teach me and don't often have the kind of dedicated experts "office hours" or anything like that.

[Karrot_Kream]

> I can't get a single dedicated language instructor for my life nowadays, it's bullshit apps or stuff oriented towards children only. Same if I wanted to learn the basics of, say, a performance art, or painting. The best system I have nowadays for learning is mostly hacker spaces and maker spaces, but they're specialized in what they can teach me and don't often have the kind of dedicated experts "office hours" or anything like that.

Exactly. I'm fairly knowledgeable about my STEM specialization but in university I had access to great language learning and exchange programs, top-notch political science and philosophy departments, architecture departments, etc. I remember bumming around in philosophy seminars not because I was a philosophy student (though I did take some philosophy classes) but because I found it so interesting. As long as I didn't increase the grading burden on any of the grad students/professors, everyone was happy and the quality of instruction I received was fantastic. In the real world the closest I have is books I read or MOOCs where a lot of people are in it to get a certification or a badge of completion rather than just marinate in ideas.

[bombcar]

You may find it worthwhile to reach out to local community colleges, because once you're "in the group" you can find people doing various things, and they're often not advertising, but will be willing to take a bit of cash on the side.

[Karrot_Kream]

I'm sorry for derailing this thread, but am curious. Have any of you used services (e.g. classes, study groups) at the local community college? How does it work out when you're a decade beyond your graduate program? I miss a lot of aspects of the university system but have a full-time job and a life now (sadly.) I've been thinking of taking classes and networking at some of our really well-rated community colleges but I'm not sure what the experience is like.

[nonameiguess]

I'm sure it heavily depends on local circumstances, but for whatever it's worth, I badly fucked up my first attempt at going to four-year right out of high school due to mental health reasons and ended up doing two years at LA City College before going back. It may have been mostly the Biology and Chemistry departments, but the quality of student there was still the highest of any school I've ever taken classes at, and that includes Georgia Tech, which is typically regarded as a top 10 engineering school. The reasons were somewhat peculiar and specific, but the fall of the Soviet Union in the late 80s left a whole lot of immigrants from former Soviet Republics fleeing the collapse and most of them ended up in LA. We had a whole lot of former engineers, scientists, and medical doctors who came to the US only to find their foreign credentials were not honored by US institutions and they had to start completely over. They utterly destroyed our curves thanks to all of the knowledge, dedication, and discipline they already had compared to an average 19 year-old.

Heck, even my Bio 101 professor was abnormally brilliant. She'd been a researcher at Harvard Medical School who worked on highly experimental treatments in a ward full of terminal patients and just finally burned out from being around so much death all the time, so there she was in Los Feliz three blocks from Scientology world headquarters teaching at a community college, probably the hardest class I've ever had to take.

[mlyle]

It really depends upon the community college and class.

You tend to have some younger screw-up, unmotivated students, especially at entry level classes; some younger students that are there for economic or other reasons; some older students going back to school for life reasons; and then some older students who are intellectually curious and doing it for enrichment.

What the make-up of a class, and the resultant culture is, is a crapshoot. But it can be outstanding.

[bombcar]

As the other said, it really depends on the college. The one near me is more technical oriented and has a number of programs basically designed to train people for employment at local factories.

If you avoid the standard college classes, you get a pretty wide cross-section of the people in the community. Math 101 is mostly going to be college-age kids.

[EatingWithForks]

I do, but I would argue that local community colleges is still most certainly in the "university system", just another tier/flavor of it. I would consider participating in community college activities to be participating in academic institution style activities that also happen at universities.

[mlyle]

Yah- I don't think they're disagreeing with you, but just suggesting that CCs and other adult education may be a practical way to scratch the itch that you described.