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by AlecSchueler 995 days ago
> Ah, no - that the work depicts the individual taking abuse for extended periods until they take their life, the actor themselves is alive and well.

Ah, ok, in this case the definition of violence is that it's not simulated, so these cases are not directly comparable. The pornography they're looking at depicts actresses who do actually take violence against themselves. The blood that is shown is their own blood.

> How does that law apply to violent sports where the goal is injury

This is a better comparison, and one that's still being hotly debated in france. Violent sports like MMA for example were entirely illegal until a few years ago (2019) and are still under much public scrutiny. The debates are still ongoing.

> I do not know how one would evaluate what terms are acceptable though

It's a very difficult question between wanting to allow freedom but also wanting to protect. This dillema is not unique to the pornography industry. Other studies have shown that women in the European Union almost invariably face real-world sexual violence throughout their lives. This is again incomporable to something like Rambo which depicts issues very far removed from most people's lived realities.

I would say from my personal perspectives two things on this question:

1. The violence in pornography could be simulated. More care could be taken to protect the actresses. We could just as easuly be arguing that actors in action movies should be taking actual violence against themselves because boxers consent to the same. But they don't need to? Boxers do need to because it's an actual battle of physical skill

2. As noted above, there is a huge issue with gender based violence against women throughout the world. Almost every woman in France will experience sexual violence throughout their lives. This puts a huge strain on society and makes the issue more pressing than questions like the effects of shooting up aliens in video games which is a very theoritical reality, or even shooting up soldiers which is something that thankfully will only come up in the lives of a small number of people.

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> The pornography they're looking at depicts actresses who do actually take violence against themselves. The blood that is shown is their own blood.

I think we agree on all counts at this point, but I do hope and believe this style of actual slashing, beating and bleeding would be significantly less than 90% of all material mentioned by the watchdog as abusive, and rather something quite a bit lesser than a majority. This does not make it any better of course, but exaggerating undermines the message.

My personal concern is primarily with those forced or otherwise coerced into an act, as would be the case for those you mention that end unwillingly exposed to it sometime throughout their lives.

I find trying to draw a line between when a slap is legal and when it is not to be flawed - it is only okay if the video title ends in "championship" and is solely an intense act of violence with face-deforming slaps? - and quite incompatible with my pedantic mind. One could argue it should all be outlawed, but as someone who practiced martials arts in a previous life I would lean to the liberal side of allowing consensual violence within some defined framework regardless of final video title.