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by perihelions 1001 days ago
Most of modern Scotland was forest up until a fairly recent time. The felling of one tree is an instagram tragedy; the felling of one billion is an economic statistic.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caledonian_Forest

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It was bare enough for Boswell and Johnson on their famous tour of Scotland to remark on it. In 1773. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Journey_to_the_Western_Islan...

It has actually improved since the first world war, when there was large scale replanting of trees. For the rest of it, there remains a complex question: the moorland, as it is now, is an ecosystem in itself, and the main force preventing reforestation naturally is wild deer.

Right, so we can just completely ignore the symbolic/iconic importance.

I don't know why I've seen Instagram mentioned several times already but it's recognition as a place of significant natural beauty and featuring in all sorts of media was WELL before some stupid website of people sharing photos existed.

> we can just completely ignore the symbolic/iconic importance.

I think the person above was arguing for the opposite of this: Not that we should ignore this tragedy, but that we should more viscerally feel the extent of the greater tragedy and put energy into righting it.

The point is not that Instagram is the cause. It is the fact that upward movement in class worldwide has provided almost a billion extra people as tourists in just one generation, and the most commonly 'grammed locations tend to attract people that would not have otherwise learned about them.
Perspective on "fairly recent" from wiki:

> An examination of the earliest maps of Scotland suggests that the extent of the Caledonian Forest remnants has changed little since 1600.

"Recent" is always a funny thing. In my mind 1600 is roughly the start, or a little after the start, of the modern period, therefore recent.

Who was it that said "In Europe 100 miles is a long way, in America 100 years is a long time?"

That's a surprisingly difficult question to answer.

https://shkspr.mobi/blog/2023/09/who-said-brits-think-100-mi...

> Who was it that said "In Europe 100 miles is a long way, in America 100 years is a long time?"

In my experience, everyone on HN whenever the opportunity to quote it arises.

I love in the US when people boast their house was built in the 1800s. 1800s! In England I consider that fancy new construction.

But yes, it boggles peoples' minds in England when you travel more than a couple of hours by car to go anywhere. If I told a Brit I drove my car 2500 miles to L.A. on a whim they would have me institutionalized.

To be fair though, 1800 is a while ago, especially for wooden construction. But I've lived in a wooden house that was built in 1625 that probably was on it's fifth renovation by 1800. And it still stands today.
Pfft, in Italian terms 1625 is like, yesterday.

I got married in a church built in the IX century, half the central buildings in my hometown are from 1300-1400. And we're just nouveau riche compared to Roma.

It's not just Italy. For instance, I was married in a church built in the 10th century, in England.
Yes, Italy (and Greece too as well as parts of Croatia) are amazing in that way.
2500 miles from London puts you somewhere in central Asia. I found the following route, which is just shy of that distance: https://www.distance.to/London/Samara,Samara-Oblast,RUS It would be an amazing trip, but it would involve crossing many borders and going through some fairly dodgy countries. I think there is a reasonable case that no sane person would do that on a whim.
That's crazy when you see it like that. Furthest I ever made it by car from the UK was Hungary and that took me about 10 days!

I did that trip to LA in 2 days there, 2 days back. And my car radio didn't work :(

Thankfully, that is being (slowly) addressed. It's been particularly successful around Loch an Eilein, very nicely visible from the lake.