[ActorNightly]

First, just because China did it doesn't mean its necessarily wrong. The real bad part of Chinese system are the laws that govern what is bad and what the punishment - the surveillance in itself alone is neutral at worst. More information never hurts.

Secondly, this would be "society filming society", without the government being involved.

I really see only positive with the mass adoption of these things. When I go out in public, I drive respectfully, I don't cut in line, I clean up if I make a mess, I don't play loud music or have an obnoxiously loud car, I don't talk loudly, and am generally not an asshole to people. If someone needs the fear of being recorded, and put online and losing their job to not act like asshole, then so be it.

[wolverine876]

> More information never hurts.

How do you reach that conclusion?

> this would be "society filming society"

It would also be a corporation filming private citizens on a very large scale (and government can obtain data from corporations).

> If someone needs the fear of being recorded, and put online and losing their job to not act like asshole, then so be it.

People are attacked and shamed for many things that are private or harmless or even good things.

[ActorNightly]

>How do you reach that conclusion?

Because the hypothetical damage a bad member of society could do outweighs the potential risk of private life details leaking (and any effect resulting from this) for good members of society.

Say you live in a neighborhood with 50 people, and nobody knows anything about each other. Then one day, a hacker comes in an publishes a lot of private details about every single resident - grocery shopping lists, movie preferences, political leanings, website search history, even private videos and photos. However, it turns out that one of the residents is a serial rapist, while another one deals drugs. Getting information on those two is extremely valuable to the neighborhood, even if it came at a price of reduced privacy.

>It would also be a corporation filming private citizens on a very large scale (and government can obtain data from corporations).

I get the whole "government bad" liberterian sentiment, but this never really plays out in reality. I mean, lived 4 years under a literal fascist and came out largely ok. There is enough due process in place and good people in the government to avoid misuse of power on a wide scale. Furthermore, the government is a combination of incompetency and not enough man power for the average citizen to worry about.

As for corporations, most people are ok with data being collected about them and used for things like advertising, because they still continue to use the products and apps, because the value add of those is worth more than privacy (which many people don't even understand what it is).

[wolverine876]

> However, it turns out that one of the residents is a serial rapist, while another one deals drugs.

Hypotheticals are easy to populate with supporting examples, but also in the neighborhood are the political enemies of the government, minorities, targets of oppression (e.g., LGBTQ), etc.

> I get the whole "government bad" liberterian sentiment

Spare me your bullshit dimissal. Do you have anything substantive or is that all you have?

> this never really plays out in reality

I think cracking open any history book or reading the news will show the horrors inflicted by dictators. I'm glad you were ok.