[version_five]

Alignment is also a distraction, its OpenAI marketing and something people who don't understand ML talk about, not a serious topic.

Like I said, discussing model politics have a place but bringing it up every time a model is mentioned is distracting and prevents adult discussion. It would be like if every time a company comes up, the thread gets spammed with discussion about the worst thing that company has ever done instead of discussing it in context.

[antiterra]

The condescension is unfounded and unnecessary. Discussion of the usefulness of a model or its interface also includes these topics. If the refusal to discuss the topic came from anything other than it simply being absent from training data, that’s highly interesting from multiple perspectives.

For example, ChatGPT’s practical usability is regularly hobbled by alignment concerns, notably more so in 3.5 than 4. It’s a worthy topic, not a distraction and characterizing it as something other than ‘adult discussion’ is nothing more than an egocentric encoding of your specific interests into a ranking of importance you impose on others. A little humility goes a long way.

We’re here to be curious and that includes addressing misconceptions, oversights and incorrect assumptions. That all still counts as adult discussion.

[chpatrick]

Artificial ways the model is restricted are an absolutely relevant and important thing to discuss.

[seanmcdirmid]

Thought crimes implemented in code basically. Orwell would have had a field day with LLMs.

[chpatrick]

Imagine if a Chinese company releases a model that kicks the state of the art's ass and everyone starts using it because it works so well. Now the censorship has leaked into all the systems that use it.