[eru]

It's interesting that mathematicians, when asked philosophically, might have all kinds of interesting and nuanced ideas about this topic. But when you let them get back to their mathematics, they behave as if they believed deep down in their heart that mathematics exists independently of the observer.

(It's a working attitude that works well in practice. Just like a heliocentric world view works well enough for most celestial navigation you can do without computers.)

[quickthrower2]

I am waiting for the universe to do something non-mathematical. There is no reason to believe it can't :-)

[mbork_pl]

Sorry to break it to you, but most mathematicians don't give a s*t. Even worse, a large percentage of mathematicians (not sure if "most", but I'm afraid yes) do not usually have "interesting and nuanced ideas" (nor opinions) on anything.