[rmbyrro]

Given the history of China and its tech companies, the burden of proof shifted to their shoulders.

So, I turn to them: is there anything that proves its a surveillance-free device? No, they cannot assure that.

Someone may not like it, but China now has a very, very bad reputation among people in the West. Especially after the last pandemic and how they handled it.

[WendyTheWillow]

Horse shit. If you can’t show specific data traffic flowing from Mavic software back to China that could conceivably be drone footage, this claim is bogus and borderline libelous.

It would be trivial to prove this to be true, and there is zero of that proof. Hell, at this point it would be valuable to even see small phone homes by Mavic software from the last year, but I doubt you even have that.

There are plenty of other reasons not to buy this drone, so the lies are completely uncalled for.

[rmbyrro]

You are looking at a simplistic perspective.

Surveillance doesn't always run 24/7 for every device. The signal/noise ratio would be extremely low.

To keep a high ratio, it's selectively switched on for high interest targets.

There's no reason for a drone flying on my backyard to send any data to China. Their privacy protection is inexistent. You can ask it to be conceivably whatever horse shit you like, I don't care. I don't want any bytes sent there.

[WendyTheWillow]

Nothing simplistic about asking for evidence that this is occurring. Yes it’s not easy, but without evidence you’re spewing speculation, and when you claim speculation as certainty it ventures into the realm of bull shit.

[rmbyrro]

There's plenty of evidence that the CCP forces Chinese tech businesses to do surveillance:

1. https://www.google.com/search?q=ccp+chinese+tech+surveillanc...

The word you're trying to find is not "speculation", but "suspicion":

1. a feeling or thought that something is possible, likely, or true.

2. cautious distrust.

You may like China or think there's no difference between the US and China. But saying there's no reason to be suspicious of a Chinese device is putting you in the realm of unreasonable...

[WendyTheWillow]

That’s too broad. The claim is specific, so the evidence needs to be specific.

I never claimed I “liked” China or equated China to the US at all, nor did I say suspicion of Chinese made electronics was without merit. What I said was the specific claim being made was unsupported by evidence that would be trivially collectable if the claim were true.

And no, my word choice was intentional. You seem to be arguing against the common criticisms of your position, but you are ignoring my actual issues. I recommend rereading what I wrote and trying again.

[palata]

> So, I turn to them: is there anything that proves its a surveillance-free device? No, they cannot assure that.

Can Google and Apple prove that their stuff is surveillance-free, though?

[rmbyrro]

No, but US reputation is way better than China's.

In the absence of a surveillance-free device, people prefer the one with the better rep.

[mardifoufs]

>us reputation is way better

Where? Maybe in the west, certainly not in the rest of the world. China didn't start a war that killed 1million people not even 20 years ago. Westerners don't care about that but that's to be expected.

[rmbyrro]

You are right, Chinese govt didn't kill only 1 million.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Chinese_Famine

The US military complex is beyond dirty and its grip on govt power makes everyone sick in the West and the East.

But reducing the US to that and then doing a comparison with the Chinese government and ideology is unfair, in my opinion.

[thombee]

bit of a random comparison. You're comparing one country's propensity to invade/ bomb other countries and kill their citizens to another country's internal famine. You could say the Chinese gov was incompetent then, but that famine isn't an example of foreign interference, like the US wars etc. dont think the comparison here holds

[palata]

> occurred between 1959 and 1961

This doesn't qualify for "not even 20 years ago".

[WitCanStain]

No, because it isn't.

[PeterStuer]

Replace 'China' with 'USA' in your post, and for most of the world both would be identically true.

[rmbyrro]

The thing is: a lot of people want to live in the US. That's not true for China.

Have you ever been to China and the US?

You may think they're equally awful, but a LOT of people disagree.

China's reputation is in really bad shape among people in the West. Despite also being under surveillance, that's why many prefer American or European tech.

[thombee]

Not saying it's all of it, but could some of this reputation be from propaganda and attempts to smear chinese tech? Seems like a pretty common MO from the USA

[guax]

After Snowden, can you affirm that any US tech company is safe to use as a non us citizen? Or even one in some cases.

[rmbyrro]

I'm not saying US tech companies are surveillance-free.

What I'm saying is China's reputation is way, waaaaay worse than the US' among people in the West, in general.

That's why they prefer American or European technologies and products.