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You are just being brainwashed by BEV propaganda. Not only do people with a brain still believe in hydrogen for cars, that includes the majority of automotive engineers. BEVs are the weird, government mandated BS cars that few people want. If the car industry was given a democratic choice, it will pivot to hydrogen as the future.

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I've banned this account for two reasons. First, you've continued to break the site guidelines after we asked you to stop—often egregiously, as in these cases:

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> that includes the majority of automotive engineers

That is hilariously untrue. Even compared to your usual nonsense.

> If the car industry was given a democratic choice, it will pivot to hydrogen as the future.

In Germany the govenrment wanted to enact more pro-hydrogen polices and the car makers literally told them not to it was a waste of time.

And of course we had many periods, in the US, Europe and Japan where hydrogen was favored and pushed by the govenrment and a grand total of nothing came from it. The German government has spent 100s of millions on hydrogen cars alone, let alone other hydrogen projects. I don't even want to know how much Japan spent.

Reality is many of the subsidies world wide are not for BEV specifically but apply to lots of zero emission vehicles. You simply can't deal with the reality that hydrogen vehicles are pointless nonsense that no sane person would ever try push and BEV have trounced them in every way imaginable.

So lets see what all the hydrogen subsidies and clean vehicle subsidies have amount to:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E81i9OgWEAAcmSp?format=jpg&name=...

But that was from 2020, so you say that Hydrogen cars must have pickup up since then:

https://www.ev-volumes.com/

> Sales of Fuel Cell Vehicles (FCEV) in the light vehicle sector have declined by -25 % so far and stay below 20 000 units annually. Current sales are from 5 vehicle models and most sales are in South Korea and USA. We estimate their current population to ca 60 000 units.

and

> BEVs reaching 10 million units

But I'm sure the 10 million vs 20k is totally just government subsidies.

It really takes next level delusion to think hydorgen cars are the future. Even pretty much all the former pro hydrogen car makers have given up. Its positively laughable that you keep believing in this.

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The car makers are not "democratic." It is mostly a handful of out-of-touch executives forcing everyone to go their way. A lot of is driven by the PR fallout of dieselgate too. The line workers and engineers are not on-board. Also, if you listen carefully you'll realize that most executives are not on-board either. The CEO of Stellantis have repeated questioned the direction of the BEV mandate.

And of course, they are quietly sabotaging everything behind the scenes. There's a reason why there is a e-fuel exception, and why the UK sudden moved the deadline back 5 years. There is not much real support behind the scene. I expect the BEV mandates to be abandoned in due time.

Note that FCEV subsidies didn't really exist in the past, outside of tangential subsidies that targeted at all green cars. The real target would be refueling subsidies and deployment of infrastructure, which have only recently started to happen.

What you're doing is regurgitating the same anti-EV argument used against BEVs. Remember, BEVs were at nearly zero before the mid-2000s. And compared to the ICE market, it is still tiny and mostly irrelevant. The moment the government take hydrogen cars more seriously, it will take off.

It's also worth noting that diesel got to >50% of the market in Europe before rapidly dying off. It could easily happen to BEVs too. It is not a real, organic market. It is mostly due to subsidies and heavy-handed government mandates forcing companies to make them. Take that away and the market will disappear just like it did with diesel cars.

Finally, the tides are starting to turn. You are repeat claims that in direct contradiction to the OP itself. A sign you aren't even paying attention before spamming your BEV propaganda. People are starting to lose faith in BEVs, and the problems will get louder over time.