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by uxp8u61q 993 days ago
They experimented, and they discovered what happens if you try to claim land that isn't yours. They also discovered what happens in a libertarian world when someone stronger than you wants your stuff.
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> They experimented, and they discovered what happens if you try to claim land that isn't yours.

Well, its about claiming land that the Croatian government doesn't even claim to own.

Ironically, the fact that the Croatian government kicked them out, harms the Croatian government's legal claims with Serbia.

> They also discovered what happens in a libertarian world when someone stronger than you wants your stuff.

How is this in any way unique to libertarians?

Maybe take a look at civil forfeiture abuses in the US?

Not to mention other county where the rule of law is more of a polite suggestion.

It's not unique but only apt as libertarianism advocates for dominance of the strongest
No it doesn't. You're projecting your own value, interpretation and criticism of libertarian concepts to make it mean "dominance of the strongest". It's no more the case than with all other forms of government, including the majestic and noble "democracy".
Where?
You seem to have conflated libertarianism with some other philosophy like the Ayn Rand stuff
Can I own a town and buy my own police force or not ?
Sure, it depends on the disposition of the polities around you and how strong the police/defense force is. You could also run it with any system of government you like, libertarian or otherwise.

A lot of people in this thread are laughing at the Liberland folks for being doomed to fail, not realizing that "might makes right", etc. Well how would we be reacting if they became terrorists instead? Defended the area with homemade bombs? What if Jeff Bezos built a private army and decided to secede from the US?

The morality or intellectual interest of a people's claim to a territory (along with their chosen system of government) is completely orthogonal to their ability to enforce it. For the other end of the spectrum just look at Ukraine, as others here have pointed out.

And btw I'm personally not even a libertarian...

You've never read about Disney World's deal in Florida?!
When stronger groups want your stuff it doesn't matter what world you're living in. The same is true of non-Libertarian states like Ukraine.
Ukraine situation is a conflict between two states. International world is a libertarian world. The whole point of having countries is that a country can offer something better to people within its borders. This is achieved through monopoly on violence. Internationally, there is no monopoly on violence; arguably, the only thing keeping the world mostly together is nukes.
in other news, check out "intelligence", "trade" and "medicine" as other alternatives mechanisms before the recent invention of NUKES
They don't fit well into "Mutually Assured {}" pattern.
> They also discovered what happens in a libertarian world when someone stronger than you wants your stuff.

Libertarianism requires a government to protect property rights.

How would this libertarian government be funded?
Taxes, import duties. For example, the early US government (excluding the slave south) was fairly libertarian.
I've seen quite a few libertarians that would argue for private enforcement of property rights, thereby abolishing the need for a government altogether.
So if I pay a bunch of guys to enforce "my property rights" over their house, then it is my house right? So now I'll force them to pay rent for it or my private thugs will evict them from "my home".

Is that what they want? That is how society worked before we had modern governments. The only way to prevent this is to have a government who tells me I can't just bring a bunch of thugs and take stuff from people.

Undoubtedly, but those aren't real libertarians. They're anarchists.

Libertarianism is a free market economy, with the government serving as enforcer of property rights and contracts. The government also enforces individual rights.

Such as the rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

Yes, there always tends to be a large number of hypocrites in the world, see any socialist or communist of modern times who are all talk but take on none of the risks by living their ideals.