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by MeImCounting 1003 days ago
Well there are actually frameworks that are generally agreed upon. https://social.desa.un.org/issues/indigenous-peoples/united-... While it's true that some lines will be arbitrary, that doesn't mean they can't be drawn based on ethical principles, international norms, and democratic practices.

I think we should probably try our best, as a society to be ethical and address damage caused by our society in the past and present. Not doing so because we think it would be too hard to parse is not admirable.
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arcticbull 1003 days ago
I guess my question is this. The Spaniards who lived in the non-First-Nations part of California are indigenous to the region too. Exactly as indigenous, IMO, as the First Nations who walked across the land bridge from Russia and set up camp. So why shouldn't they be sovereign and granted the same rights? And what's to say that in 100 years this agreement will not be torn up too, because of, say, it feeling 'forced' due to 'economic conditions'?

It's time to stop looking backwards, and start figuring out how to move forwards together as one.

We should all be looking after this marine zone together.

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MeImCounting 1003 days ago
"It's time to stop looking backwards, and start figuring out how to move forwards together as one."

This is a much easier perspective to have if you are raised in a society that predominantly thinks of indigenous people as extinct and a thing of the past. It is a much harder perspective to have if you live with the understanding that these issues dont originate in the past but in the modern consequences of historical events.

I too would like a world in which we dont really need to worry about how indigenous peoples are treated. Unfortunately we live in a world where the dominant power structure is all too willing to trample over indigenous rights while certain parts of society appear in droves to defend said trampling.

This may also not be the context of whats being discussed in the article but we are touching on the broader topic of indigenous rights and sovereignty.

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arcticbull 1003 days ago
To be clear I don't think they're "extinct" I think they're a unique and distinct part of our society like people of any other background. Their stories deserve to be taught in school, in the context of our shared history (good and bad) - and they deserve to be represented in government - like everyone else. And they deserve to live the way they want, like everyone else. Nobody's rights should be trampled.

> This may also not be the context of whats being discussed in the article but we are touching on the broader topic of indigenous rights and sovereignty.

Maybe, but I do appreciate you sharing your perspective.

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