[myshpa]

> now I mostly just hope that the worst results don’t happen in my own lifetime

I don't understand this point. It seems to me that the longer we wait for a collapse to happen, the worse it will be (as fewer resources will be left for rebuilding civilization).

What's the benefit of it happening in our children's lifetimes instead of our own, except for the fact that we get to continue unsustainable consumption a bit longer, rather than trying to change things?

[hotpotamus]

Not all of us have children.

[myshpa]

We are all but stewards for those who'll come after us.

[hotpotamus]

Sooner or later there will be no one after - and it's sure looking like sooner to me. One reason of many for the no children.

[myshpa]

Good ... you're further than the others. Now stop dwelling and get working so that doesn't happen.