[cimi_]

I am so disappointed by this.

I moved to the UK from Eastern Europe and it's hands down better in almost every way if you consider personal freedom, in my opinion.

In terms of policing, it's better than most EU states. See this for reference: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUxiTdRTPMg The argument in the video is that French police is brutal because of the remnants of Nazi collaborationists in the police, and this applies to everywhere in Europe occupied by Nazis. And then you have Eastern Europe with its brutal communism.

I hear a lot of British people complain about how bad society has gotten etc. I'm not saying it's perfect, but it's something to still be proud of. But this kind of shit will break it.

To the people saying it's the fault of people being apathetic, what would you have done?

:(

[tim333]

It's not that bad really. I'm sure it'll be done in a half arsed way.

[tgv]

That's not only irrelevant to the discussion, WW2 ended 80 years ago. Anyone who was a Nazi or collaborated is well over 90.

[cimi_]

Effects of this are felt today - policing of the population is worse in the countries that were either Nazi occupied or communist compared to the UK.

My point was that measures like this destroy this 'advantage'. (I don't know if advantage is the right word but I can't come up with a better one)

[tgv]

I don't think policing in The Netherlands, Denmark or even Germany is bad.

> My point was that measures like this destroy this 'advantage'.

First, I don't think politicians care about this 'advantage'. Second, policing is necessary, and with changing conditions, the means for policing change. There's always tension between individual freedom and security/safety. But I agree that this is not a great move.