[Hermitian909]

This actually touches on one of SV's durable advantages in the software world: the realization that if you want good software your engineers must be involved in the requirements gathering, design, and scoping phases. Critically, the business understands that engineering is the most authoritative voice on cost and since all business activities should pass through an ROI analysis filter engineering needs to be in the room.

Keeping engineers in the room then adds a positive feedback loop: as they understand the business better they start to offer up new opportunities to the business that have surprisingly low cost.

(I will caveat that for sufficiently solved problems you can generally involve software engineers less)