[Brian_K_White]

I hope you are not any form of art teacher. The work was legit.

The fact that it made some people mad and they don't understand, or at least appreciate it, is not proof that it's the highest form of art, but it is absolutely consistent with it.

Violating expectations is very much one (of many) purpose of art, and holding up "contract" doesn't change that. That's just a handy club that happens to be available in this case and you're willing to wield it to club something you don't like. Another legal c word is "context". No one can argue something like this wasn't always a possible interpretation, complete with prior examples.

So the court and some sufficient number of the voting population aren't artists and the only thing they see is money and a canvas? That is the least interesting and least valid proof of worth or validity of a piece or work of art ever. Just like all the people who say "It's just splatters, I could do that!". That only makes them common and in possession of a club, not right.

[arghwhat]

> I hope you are not any form of art teacher. The work was legit.

Crime is unacceptable and is not to be glorified as art.

Especially not this kind of lowly and outright pathetic attempt at crime.

[Brian_K_White]

Zomg crime!

They provided money to get an artistic statement about money, which they got, and which the executor/commissioner/agent both accepted delivery of, and displayed.

Did they charge any ticket or membership fees to enter the gallery where the accepted work was displayed? Did they return that collected money to the patrons?

Crying "crime!" is a weak argument. Jaywalking is a crime.

[arghwhat]

Stealing 100k USD is a very significant crime, and I find it very ridiculous that you'd compare that to jaywalking.

The criminal was not ordered to "just make art", but comissioned to make a specific piece requested by the gallery - in the form of a frame filled with said money. As such, this is no different than if you hired a carpenter to build you a house, paid upfront with contractual obligations, but the carpenter then just ran off with the money without doing anything. Or if you hired an individual and gave them access to company accounts for the purpose of doing their job, which they then embezzled and ran away with.

The money was loaned for a contractually described use-case with a return date. Walking away with it with no intention to return - and trying to keep it afterwards when sued - is nothing but theft of a significant sum.

[fatfingerd]

They provided a similar (and vastly more popular) artwork and it was displayed. Even works that are not supposed to be creative works differ from the original order and courts often don't decide on a full refund if it provided utility.

I find it kind of strange that they don't want to keep these talking points but I think the court should have decided what value they already got out of using them if they don't permanently accept them.

[arghwhat]

The court did decide that the artist could deduct ~6k USD as commission when returning the stolen money.

The limited traction they'd get from this story and empty frames would already have played out - that 100k USD can do more good as commission to other, actually skilled artists for future works than padding one greedy criminal's pockets...

[Brian_K_White]

No. The crime/contract angle is not the most important element here. It's just a club that one side of a dispute happens to have, so they get to win the fight with their bigger club. It doesn't make their argument the more valid one.

[arghwhat]

I'm glad the judge disagrees with your... Creative interpretion of contract and criminal law not being the "more valid argument".

[Brian_K_White]

Yes yes, we got that. You are glad to let law not only defend but actually define right and wrong.

Well I have some news you may want to sit down for. Law is just a tool. A tool that was designed, manufactured, and finally wielded by people.

It gets worse. There is no such thing as any tool that was designed perfectly, or functions perfectly, or wielded perfectly.

We use it only because it's all we got and the best we can do. Chaos is worse. But all we got and the best we can do is actually quite garbage.

It's not worth your unthinking worship, and your unthinking worship does not make the world a better place.