[jacquesm]

Lots of people believe that. They believe truthfully you can get to the level of AWS, MS, Google, Facebook or Apple whilst standing up to the nations that host those companies. I've walked into government employees in the hallways of tiny ISPs, I see no reason to believe at all that larger companies are any different except for when easier backdoors have been installed.

[BlueTemplar]

The really concerning part is to be STILL believing that after the Snowden scandal, after everybody has seen the slides that explain in detail how the NSA sends an FBI team to gather data from (then, in 2013) Microsoft, Yahoo, Google, Facebook, PalTalk, YouTube, Skype, AOL, Apple (and Dropbox being planned).

Also how Yahoo first refused but was forced to comply by the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court of Review.

https://www.electrospaces.net/2014/04/what-is-known-about-ns...

(Note that supposedly, "the companies prefer installing their own monitoring capabilities to their networks and servers, instead of allowing the FBI to plug in government-controlled equipment.")

[mobilio]

And for Yahoo this was reason why Alex Stamos resign: https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2016/10/report-fbi-andor...

[eightysixfour]

I don’t know how many believe it and how much is willful ignorance. The big cloud providers make big mistakes but how many trust their organizations to do better against a nation state level actor?

The underlying architectures of our systems are not secure and much of the abstractions built on top of them make that insecurity worse, not better.

For nation state level issues, the solution likely isn’t technical, that is a game of whack-a-mole, it will take a nation deciding that digital intrusions are as or more dangerous than physical ones and to draw a line in the sand. The issue is every nation is doing it and doesn’t want to cut off their own access.

[luxuryballs]

I always just tell people to lookup “Lavabit” to learn everything you need to know.

[byteknight]

To save others a goog: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavabit

> Lavabit is an open-source encrypted webmail service, founded in 2004. The service suspended its operations on August 8, 2013 after the U.S. Federal Government ordered it to turn over its Secure Sockets Layer (SSL) private keys, in order to allow the government to spy on Edward Snowden's email

[rvba]

> He also wrote that in addition to being denied a hearing about the warrant to obtain Lavabit's user information, he was held in contempt of court. The appellate court denied his appeal due to no objection, however, he wrote that because there had been no hearing, no objection could have been raised. His contempt of court charge was also upheld on the ground that it was not disputed; similarly, he was unable to dispute the charge because there had been no hearing to do it in.

Land of the free...

[pyinstallwoes]

That’s scary