[nomilk]

The wifi router sees you (a bit like a mini radar), but someone outside your premises would still have to hack the router? Or do ISPs already have that access?

Also curious to know how far wifi routers 'see'? If it's more than a few meters there could be more potential surveillance by wifi router than by cctv!

[srejk]

Look up TR-069. Always use your ISP-supplied router in bridge/modem mode only.

[nomilk]

IIUC:

- 'TR-069' is the name of a protocol by which (most) ISPs operate

- It gives ISPs the rights/ability to interact with your devices remotely (under the guise of maintenance and remote troubleshooting)

- This isn't something that's going to happen one day far in the future; it already applies to most(/all?) routers currently in use in countries whose ISPs abide by the protocol

So ISPs can already see inside customer homes?! (since they can already access the data necessary to use the WiFi device as a makeshift imaging system? - wowzers!

[psd1]

Fucking TR-069. BT used to reboot my router every day at 03:00, right when I was trying to read reddit.

To your point. ISPs send out the shittiest cheapest routers. I doubt they are physically capable of imaging to any reasonable degree. If you pay extra for a higher-grade WiFi router in your Internet package, then maybe.

Best to own your own device. I presume such a thing would not accept TR-069 commands, but that is worth checking.

[tetris11]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TR-069

Eye-opening indeed..

[tetris11]

> Or do ISPs already have that access?

"In order to comply with DOCSIS4.2 regulations, we require anonymous WiFi telemetry for 5GhZ or higher due to safety. You can disable this at any time and use 2.4GhZ."

Or some such. Just give it time.