[dctoedt]

From the Swiss government Web page I linked: Banned weapons include "semi-automatic firearms with a large magazine" — as just one example, recall that the Las Vegas shooter used "a large quantity of ammunition in special high-capacity magazines holding up to 100 cartridges each."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Paddock#Las_Vegas_shoo...

[xyzzyz]

No, because this doesn’t ban anything that’s in common use in US. The 30 rounds magazines in common use in US do not count as “large magazines” for the purposes of that Swiss law, because these are normal capacity magazines. As I said, you are completely wrong about this.

[dctoedt]

That's it, keep moving the goalposts ....

BTW, did you also overlook the part about Switzerland requiring military training and service for (essentially) all able-bodied men in a certain age range? Whereas in the U.S., pretty much any untrained bozo who never served can buy high-powered weaponry and strut around cosplaying in camo and body armor, ostentatiously toting the weaponry and shouting belligerent slogans. (It's been my untutored conjecture that most such folks are trying to compensate for deep-seated fears that they don't really measure up in the masculinity department, although there also seems to be a certain percentage of sociopaths in the mix as well.)

[xyzzyz]

No, it is you who keep moving the goalposts. The original claim was:

> Switzerland has strict gun laws that mostly ban the kind of military-grade firearms we see used in mass murders in the U.S.

And this is clearly false: you have not shown a single “military grade firearm” that we see used in mass murders in the US, but which is banned in Switzerland. All mass murders in US that I know of have used normal capacity magazines, and these are not banned in Switzerland. Your best argument here is that there might have been some mass murder in the US that used some weapon banned in Switzerland, but this is very far cry from your original goalpost, which is that Switzerland mostly bans guns used in mass murders in US: it overwhelmingly does not.

> BTW, did you also overlook the part about Switzerland requiring military training and service for (essentially) all able-bodied men in a certain age range?

Not sure what it has to do with the discussion, which was about clearly and explicitly false claim you made and apparently continue to hold on to, despite utter lack of evidence. Military service is not a prerequisite for gun ownership in Switzerland in general (it is for some guns, though).

> although there also seems to be a certain percentage of sociopaths in the mix as well

If we are playing armchair psychologist here, well, I could say something here about social orientation of people knowingly spreading verifiable falsehoods on the internet to further their ideology and agenda.

[dctoedt]

"Utter lack of evidence"? You sound like Texas's far-right Senate Republicans who this past weekend acquitted state AG Dan Paxton in his impeachment trial for bribery and other offenses, on grounds of a supposed lack of evidence — even though Paxton's whistleblowers and other accusers were (AFAIK) all Republicans and the impeachment had been voted by an overwhelming majority in the GOP-dominated Texas House, with a solid majority of House Republicans voting in favor of impeachment.

"Utter lack of evidence"? As the hoary old chestnut goes: Denial is more than just a river in Egypt.

[xyzzyz]

Yes, you have not given a single example of “the kind of military-grade firearms we see used in mass murders in the U.S” that’s banned by Switzerland. This is what “utter lack of evidence” means. The fact that instead of doing that, you segue into some unrelated contemporary political drama, is really telling.

[dctoedt]

That phrase, "utter lack of evidence": I do not think it means what you think it means.

I'm done trying to argue with you — you clearly see only what you want to see.

And nice try with the "some unrelated contemporary political drama" — it's all of a piece, with far-right Republicans trying to do a Cardassian "there are five lights" routine (from ST:TNG).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjKQQpPVifY