[k310]

Sounds like the courses you are berating don't even rise to the level of "button pushers" that we mocked when they ran their Microsoft GUI's to do admin chores (and while we were converting thousands of files in one command, and do daily .. except that we are now converting (growl) webp files that can't be edited (not by GIMP anyway) )

Even so-called "computer savvy" young people just know which buttons to push, and nothing about doing something powerful that's not canned in some app.

I still would like to see people given the ability to CREATE (like they did with hypercard) and not just adapt to "change for the sake of change" features du jour.

Keeping it short for now.

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Airing of Grievances (must be Festivus already)

As an example, I am a seasoned Unix dinosaur, started on a Sun-2 workstation. I got so used to the crippled ios that when Apple FINALLY introduced (drum roll) FILES, I didn't know what to do with them. I got so used to workarounds.

And MacOS. Sheesh. Gotta do this: chsh -s /bin/bash

Here is a list of commands, some of which are unique to Apple

https://ss64.com/osx/

[CapstanRoller]

>And MacOS. Sheesh. Gotta do this: chsh -s /bin/bash

What's wrong with zsh?

[satya71]

Not OP. But zsh isn't bash, and I am not about relearn my shell-fu.

[runjake]

1. It works just like bash if you want.

2. Scripts with #!/bin/bash or #!/bin/sh run as expected — even with bashisms.

[CapstanRoller]

zsh is derived from bash and much of the syntax and behavior is identical.

Also there are plugins like https://github.com/chrissicool/zsh-bash