[diogenes4]

> As a part of a balanced diet, yes.

It's a nutrient. This is an enumerable set of chemicals. Balancing nutrition is a different matter entirely.

> In the quantities we're all taking about, it's hard to say these "breakfasts" are positively contributing though.

I eat sugary cereals every morning, and it's about half my daily sugar consumption. I don't see any problem with it—I don't have diabetes, I have a healthy weight, etc. The idea that foods are somehow inherently bad because they're sugary is ridiculous. It's the eating habits that are unhealthy, not the food. Sugar isn't rat poison ffs.

[sillyfluke]

I'm guessing rat poison in low enough quantities probably isn't rat poison either.

The problem is to some people sugar is also more addictive than alcohol or their favorite recreational drug. I'm going out on a limb and guessing rat poison isn't as addictive to rats.

[diogenes4]

> The problem is to some people sugar is also more addictive than alcohol or their favorite recreational drug.

That's not a sugar problem, that's a consumption problem. It's also a necessary nutrient to function, so it's addictive somewhat by definition, like water is addictive, or oxygen is.

[sillyfluke]

This is taking the argument to extreme limits, you have to admit? I'm aware of no widespread instances of people self-reporting craving more oxygen than they need to function. There's probably a reason why there isn't an equally prevalent term like "sweet tooth" for many of the other daily required nutrients. It's probably because there aren't that many nutrients that illict an addiction that causes excessive consumption of said nutrient in a single day.

[diogenes4]

> This is taking the argument to extreme limits, you have to admit?

So is classifying foods as "unhealthy" or "healthy" but people do that all the time.

[slavik81]

Warfarin is a particularly good example of the dose making the poison, as it is both a rat poison and a common prescription medication for people who are at risk of blood clots. An anticoagulant can be a useful medication, but taking too much is dangerous.

[diogenes4]

That's rather my point—it's not the chemical itself but rather the rate of consumption that is the issue.

[katbyte]

type and how you consume sugar matters. HFCS is really really bad for you or consuming sugars in fruits with fiber lowers the insulin spike and absorption rate.

https://youtu.be/dBnniua6-oM?si=1_OBYqk6vmQl4N5K

So I’m sorry but some sugary foods ARE inherently bad and sugary cereals are one of them and that’s not even getting into the addiction side of it and how marketing them to kids sets many up for obesity and chronic diseases

Btw you can also be “skinny fat” from sugars

[diogenes4]

I don't deny this at all, but this still requires context to determine "health". I truly resent the conception that sugar is somehow a toxin and not a necessary nutrient.

I also don't want to truly deny the addictive nature of sugar. It can have enormously negative effects on peoples lives. The answer is not to reject sugar, though! It is to moderate sugar intake.

[katbyte]

The thing about addiction and the way pure sugar acts on some people is they cannot moderate- especially when the addiction is formed at a young age

People who start smoking before their 20s have a much MUCH harder time quitting.

[diogenes4]

Sure, but nicotine can be completely eliminated from a diet. Sugar cannot be. The idea of rejecting sugar as unhealthy is beyond absurd.

[katbyte]

added sugar IS unhealthy. Too much nature sugar IS unhealthy. acting like its not is silly.