[acdha]

None of which changes the fact that you can’t use property which doesn’t belong to you except on the owner’s terms unless there’s some kind of legal right such as the “right to roam” laws in many European countries. There is no right to store your car without paying for it so there’s no gray area here.

[Dylan16807]

There's some gray area because charging on entry would be better, and if you can't pay with actual money that's a real problem.

But I wasn't arguing that, I'm saying it's not like theft.

[acdha]

It’s theft of service, which is definitely not identical to theft of property but I think the analogy is useful because more people understand that a business screwing up doesn’t mean you get their products for free - it means you go somewhere else.

It especially doesn’t mean you have any expectation not to be treated poorly by that business the way you would if you’d complied with your side of the legal agreement. If you’d paid and the business failed to track that payment properly, you’d be getting serious compensation because there would be a legal contract they weren’t honoring.

[PrimeMcFly]

> legal right such as the “right to roam” laws in many European countries.

What are these laws you speak of?

[acdha]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_to_roam

It varies but the general idea is that large landowners have to allow some access for hiking or even camping.

[PrimeMcFly]

Thanks

[acdha]

It was really weird as an American going on hikes through private land and realizing that the owner couldn’t just haul off and shoot you.