[casperc]

Yup, we need more data, and it appears the ball is somewhat rolling on this.

And meanwhile we need to try to not jump to conclusions, even though it is so very tempting for believers and sceptics alike.

But interesting is the field or subject of ufology (though I hate that word). It is so mixed with crazy people, very reasonable people, grifters, those who are maybe grifters, disinformation (maybe or just the crazy people or grifters again?) and maybe some real interesting stuff among it all.

[tptacek]

If the issues we're talking about stem from claims David Grusch (or people in that circle) made, then enough has been disclosed already to draw some conclusions: when your key witnesses discredit themselves, that is itself a form of evidence.