[danielvaughn]

Yeah I’m a web dev, and recently I found out the most popular JS ORM doesn’t produce joins. It’ll just execute multiple queries in sequence. I don’t know how common that is in the ORM landscape but for me that’s a deal breaker.

[setr]

That’s just a direct result of lazy loading — if you don’t grab the related objects in the initial query, then there’s no joins to be had.

Most ORMs do lazy loading by default, but also have a way of doing eager loading — either requiring the nested object to always be loaded as well, or dropping down to some pseudo-sql.

In c#/EFCore, I always prefer to avoid lazy loading and just write LINQ, and just use the ORM to map the resultset back to objects

[smaddox]

Common enough to have a name: the N+1 query problem.

[Izkata]

1+N is clearer I think, and what I remember seeing in the past - it matches what's actually happening with this problem. First time I saw N+1 sometime around a year ago, I had no idea it referred to the same thing and thought it was something different.

N+1 looks like an issue with aggregation after a parallel run, something I've encountered with celery tasks before.