[squeaky-clean]

Make a ton of test websites to try and reverse engineer how Kagi ranks websites, and then prioritize that over actual good content. The same way people manipulate Google results through SEO.

I've been at a job where we did this with Google. We had about 20 websites and 40 ad campaigns on adwords for fake companies where you could buy used dirty dishes. We wanted a topic that would have zero real-world results aside from us so we could easily compare our hypotheses and someone suggested pre-dirtied dishes. It was hilarious and had almost no search results so we went with that.

Strangely enough after a few weeks we noticed eBay and Amazon were buying the top ad slot for those queries. They probably had some automated way of tracking new trending Google search keywords matching "Buy ____" or "____ for sale".

Seeing "Amazon is the best place to buy Dirty Dishes" as a top ad was also hilarious. In fact if you Google "Buy Dirty Dishes" right now, Etsy is the top result. "Check out our dirty dishes selection for the very best in unique or custom, handmade pieces from our dining & serving shops"

We took our findings from that "research" and applied them to our real customers websites.

[gwd]

> I've been at a job where we did this with Google. We had about 20 websites and 40 ad campaigns on adwords for fake companies where you could buy used dirty dishes. We wanted a topic that would have zero real-world results aside from us so we could easily compare our hypotheses and someone suggested pre-dirtied dishes. It was hilarious and had almost no search results so we went with that.

But... is that manipulation or genuine optimization? I mean, if there were people who wanted dirty dishes, and you were selling them, then helping Google help dirty-dish searchers find you is making Google better (and overall making the world a better place).

SEO is a problem when it causes mediocre, crappy, or completely irrelevant sites to be promoted over actually good sites.

[squeaky-clean]

We managed websites for hotels/inns/ other travel related things. We obviously did not sell pre-dirtied dishes and there is no one buying those.

We figured out what made some experiments rank higher than others, and then used those techniques on tourism related websites.

The point is our customer's websites did not rank higher based on actual merit. They ranked higher because we learned how to abuse Google. And no, the sites were not high quality. We shuttered out higher quality websites who were not abusing SEO.

[freediver]

Kagi's ranking algorithm is already public. Kagi downranks sites with ads/trackers and promotes sites that do not have them.

The motive people manipulate Google is financial gain, most commonly monetizing traffic with ads/affiliate links.

That does not work for Kagi, first because there is no financial gain, second the amount of traffic you would get would be a fraction you would get from Google and that is not going to change any time soon.

Not saying it is immune to manipulation, I would love to know what a good attack vector and motivation behind it would be.