[moooo99]

I can’t even start to imagine the annoyance that people have to go trough when they need something really important, like a citizenship or a visa.

I haven’t had to deal with that bureaucratic processes, but if I extrapolate the awful experiences I had with something as simple as a new ID, I can fully understand why people hate this kind of organization.

[coderatlarge]

I'm dealing with a bureaucracy which is literally asking me to essentially document every place I've lived and every place I've worked for the last 30+ years. Not only that, but they require paper documents with paper Apostilles affixed and everything notarized. Even if it were possible, it would cost many thousands of dollars in documents and travel fees. In practice, it's essentially impossible because some employers no longer exist, others don't provide paper documents, etc.

[allarm]

Is that for a citizenship application? I’ve moved to Germany around 1.5 years ago and quite excited about the perspective of relatively easy and fast citizenship, but the process you’re describing is insane, I won’t be able to get paper docs from many of my employers.

[nicbou]

It’s a massive pain and people regularly leave the country due to unbearable bureaucratic delays.