[friend_and_foe]

I have. Of every trans person I've had conversations with about this, only one ever had a real conversation with me. The rest just didn't want to hear my viewpoints or get asked any substantiative questions because they made them feel bad. Most of my interactions I've been called names, many they just didn't want to have the conversation. I have never, anywhere on the internet or in real life, seen an example of a clear headed discussion on this topic between two people that disagree fundamentally about all this.

[yyyiy]

I recall that the subreddit "GCdebatesQT" had some quite clear-headed discussions about this, back in the day. Not all, just some. Unfortunately it was banned by Reddit's management a few years ago, along with all the other gender-critical subs. Which is a shame as it was one of the few forums where such discussion could be reasonably had.

(There's an archive here if you're interested in having a browse: https://www.itsafetish.org/archives/gcdebatesqt.)

On the other hand, the "ChangeMyView" subreddit also sometimes had constructive debate on this subject, but just a couple of days ago the moderators threw in the towel as it was getting too difficult to manage these discussions: https://old.reddit.com/r/changemyview/comments/16hxvf8/meta_.... Perhaps an indication that it's now too divisive a topic for reason to prevail.

[em-bee]

part of the problem is that some people can't differentiate between disagreement and rejection.

and that's understandable. how do you show acceptance of someone if you disagree with their understanding of gender.

i don't know what your viewpoint is, or what you would disagree with, so i can't comment on the specifics. but talking with someone who has an opposing viewpoint can be difficult if i don' know that person and i can't trust that they will accept me and love me (in the "love thy neighbor" sense) even if they reject my understanding or belief